Lane Kiffin's effect on the Vols' instate recruiting

[Morpheus]

All of Vol nation is well aware that the primary reason for UT's struggles the past few years was the Lane Kiffin disaster, and its subsequent effects (severe attrition, probation, the Dooley shuffle, etc). Well here he is back on the scene at our arch rival to the south.

And you gotta assume Saban puts Kiffin in charge of recruiting the state of Tennessee for the tide. He's a great recruiter, already knows the state (which is suddenly producing a boat load more talent), and Bama was completely shut out of this year's banner crop. Yes they have a great class anyway, as always, but they have also always prided themselves on taking one or two of the best players in Tennessee every year (even if they had to buy them).:ermm:

2 questions:

1. How much will Kiffin challenge Butch and company for the 2015 group and beyond, if at all?

2. Will Mike Slive keep Kiffin under the microscope the way he did at UT, or continue to show his hypocrisy by turning a blind eye to his pet program?

 

[PassedOutAwake]

Havent Kiffin's recruiting classes gotten worse over the years? Ive seen multiple recruits on twitter say that they don't like Kiffin. Bama could already have almost anyone they wanted.

 

[RockCityVol]

This Kiffin era under Saban will end just like his previous. Kiffin is a disease.

 

[snowvols]

There were in state kids like James Stone that weren't even considering Tennessee when Kiffin was here. A lot of people just don't like him.

 

[85SugarVol]

I don't subscribe to the notion that Alabama already gets whoever they want. There are plenty of guys in the top 100 that "chose" not to attend Bama. Obviously, they are already killing it, so they could only increase their lead.

I think Kiffin at Bama can only hurt, def can't help us imo.

 

[BeecherVol]

Bama is more or less selecting players at this point and they ve done that without Kiffin for several years now.

If Jones is able to put a comparable product on the field he ll get what he needs out of the state and beyond in the long run.

 

[RockCityVol]

There were in state kids like James Stone that weren't even considering Tennessee when Kiffin was here. A lot of people just don't like him.

Yep, like the whole frickin state of Tennessee!

 

[KBVol]

Kiffin'll have virtually no impact on Bama's recruiting. They get about any player they want right now. He can't possibly make it better. Doubt any kid who'd want to play for Saban and Bama now won't go cause Kiffin is there.

 

[Morpheus]

Havent Kiffin's recruiting classes gotten worse over the years? Ive seen multiple recruits on twitter say that they don't like Kiffin. Bama could already have almost anyone they wanted.

Yeah but you gotta think his declining record and fading enthusiasm as probation effects worsened, had a lot to do with that. Hopefully you're right, and recruits are seeing thru his bs.

 

[85SugarVol]

Bama is more or less selecting players at this point

I just don't get this, and it is posited by many on here.

Wouldn't Fournette & Peppers, not to mention Malone & Hurd, be headed to Tuscaloosa right now if Bama was simply selecting who they wanted?

 

[SigNu_VolFan]

After seeing Kiffin's class fizzle out here, I say we monitor who he targets and steer clear.

 

[Morpheus]

There were in state kids like James Stone that weren't even considering Tennessee when Kiffin was here. A lot of people just don't like him.

Some would say Kiffin didn't want Stone. Don't know if that's true, but you're right that Stone wanted nothing to do with him, IIRC.

 

[SigNu_VolFan]

I just don't get this, and it is posited by many on here.

Wouldn't Fournette & Peppers, not to mention Malone & Hurd, be headed to Tuscaloosa right now if Bama was simply selecting who they wanted?

I think the point is a little deeper than that. Saban didn't pull those guys. So do you honestly believe that Kiffin is the game changer? Maybe for one, maybe two.

But let's be honest. Jalen Hurd was never going to Alabama in the first place.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

there are a lot of kids that can see the depth chart through all the BS

 

[BODACIOUS]

Not scared, I doubt the majority of the instate kids have forgotten what happened.


:finger3:Kuck Fiffen:finger3:

 

[77' Vol]

Kiffin isn't crap without his boy Ed Orgeron. Big Ed was the one who reeled in the recruits.

 

[85SugarVol]

I think the point is a little deeper than that. Saban didn't pull those guys. So do you honestly believe that Kiffin is the game changer? Maybe for one, maybe two.

But let's be honest. Jalen Hurd was never going to Alabama in the first place.

Agreed that Hurd was never gonna go to Alabama, simply used him as an easy example to demonstrate that Bama does not simply get whoever they want.

That belief is patently false.

Kiffin isn't going to be some game changer for Alabama, but he will help them pull a couple kids every cycle they probably would not have landed without him.

I think our collective hatred for the man blinds us to his skills as a recruiter some times.

 

[85SugarVol]

Kiffin isn't crap without his boy Ed Orgeron. Big Ed was the one who reeled in the recruits.

And if Big O ends up as the DL coach there?

 

[Volbackhomefromtx]

If I were Lane Kiffin, I wouldn't want to recruit in Tennessee. I suspect he would get tired of having his car egged, having people curse at him, and probably even have certain people in business establishments refuse to serve him. And given his reputation within the state, I would think it would be difficult for him to recruit in Tennessee. If, and I say IF he is to be effective, it would be recruiting elsewhere that he knows, wherever that is, but that is not Tennessee.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

Agreed that Hurd was never gonna go to Alabama, simply used him as an easy example to demonstrate that Bama does not simply get whoever they want.

That belief is patently false.

Kiffin isn't going to be some game changer for Alabama, but he will help them pull a couple kids every cycle they probably would not have landed without him.

I think our collective hatred for the man blinds us to his skills as a recruiter some times.

and he is going to keep a few away too.

 

[Ethan Hooper]

 

[theutvolunteers]

agreed that hurd was never gonna go to alabama, simply used him as an easy example to demonstrate that bama does not simply get whoever they want.

That belief is patently false.

Kiffin isn't going to be some game changer for alabama, but he will help them pull a couple kids every cycle they probably would not have landed without him.

i think our collective hatred for the man blinds us to his skills as a recruiter some times.

 

[SigNu_VolFan]

and he is going to keep a few away too.

Exactly, regardless of how many more people become interested as a result of a new coach, you're still bound by the same number of spots. While Kiffin could bring in a game changing commitment late this cycle, what's going to happen to one of the other game changing commitments/targets that they already have?

Alabama hardly stoops to project type recruits, so they'll have to lose a little to gain a little. I think in the end, it becomes a push, with the best case scenario for Alabama being a slight upgrade.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

Exactly, regardless of how many more people become interested as a result of a new coach, you're still bound by the same number of spots. While Kiffin could bring in a game changing commitment late this cycle, what's going to happen to one of the other game changing commitments/targets that they already have?

Alabama hardly stoops to project type recruits, so they'll have to lose a little to gain a little. I think in the end, it becomes a push, with the best case scenario for Alabama being a slight upgrade.

thank you. i felt like i was the only one thinking this way

 

[Crew]

If I were Lane Kiffin, I wouldn't want to recruit in Tennessee. I suspect he would get tired of having his car egged, having people curse at him, and probably even have certain people in business establishments refuse to serve him. And given his reputation within the state, I would think it would be difficult for him to recruit in Tennessee. If, and I say IF he is to be effective, it would be recruiting elsewhere that he knows, wherever that is, but that is not Tennessee.

I think I'm pretty mature at this point in my life. if we ever crossed paths. I don't know If i could help myself from giving Kiffin the bird or a few choice words of criticism.


I'd probably be tempted to set Dooley on fire and bag the ashes for fertilizer.