Lakers vs. Celtics

#101
#101
Hard to believe that of the Pats, Red Sox, and Celtics, it would be the Pats that kept Boston from holding the 3 major championships at one time.
 
#102
#102
GAVol said:
What do you say at the post game press conference when your team just gave up 131 points in the deciding game of the NBA Finals?
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you use the lack of D as exhibit A when explaining the outcome in the series.

LAs O couldn't overcome Boston's D.
 
#105
#105
I love how no one mentions boston was near the bottom of the league in attendance last year. boston fans are more bandwaggon than LA fans. Both the lakers and the dodgers have been near the top of attendance in the NBA and MLB in the years they were crappy. Boston fans have proven they are the true bandwaggon fans with the red sox/pats/celts current run.
 
#106
#106
droski said:
I love how no one mentions boston was near the bottom of the league in attendance last year. boston fans are more bandwaggon than LA fans. Both the lakers and the dodgers have been near the top of attendance in the NBA and MLB in the years they were crappy. Boston fans have proven they are the true bandwaggon fans with the red sox/pats/celts current run.
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Someone sounds sour!:whistling:
 
#107
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GAVol said:
What do you say at the post game press conference when your team just gave up 131 points in the deciding game of the NBA Finals?
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Guess someone should have broken out the "Winners never quit, quitters never win" speech at some point.
 
#108
#108
Fine Vol said:
Someone sounds sour!:whistling:
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perhaps, but that doesn't mean i'm wrong. there is a famous boston bar in santa monica called sonny mccleans. I vividly remember watching a lakers playoff game there in 2002 with the entire bar loudly rooting for the lakers. now if you walked in there with a lakers shirt you'd probably get your butt kicked. gee i wonder what happened between now and then. . .

i also watched dodger games there that were very popular until the red sox were finally worth a s-. these boston people are pathetic. they live there for 4 years in college and think it allows them a lifetime of arrogance despite the fact that none of them gave a f- about the celts/pats/sox until 4 years ago. i hope the entire city doesn't win another title for all of eternity.
 
#109
#109
droski said:
I love how no one mentions boston was near the bottom of the league in attendance last year. boston fans are more bandwaggon than LA fans. Both the lakers and the dodgers have been near the top of attendance in the NBA and MLB in the years they were crappy. Boston fans have proven they are the true bandwaggon fans with the red sox/pats/celts current run.
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It would be a mistake to use attendance figures to discuss bandwagon fans and mention the red sox bandwagon fans at the same time. Fenway park has consistently had full crowds. Over the last 20 years, their lowest average attendance (1997) was still at over 75% capacity. They have averaged over 30,000 fans in 17 of the last 20 years. Their average attendance among American league parks ranked (starting in 1988) 4th, 5, 4, 4, 6, 4, 5, 4, 6, 7, 9, 6, 6, 6, 4, 4, 4, 3, 4, 4th out of 14 parks. While there were a few bad years trailing from 6th down to 9th in 1997 ... 4th among 14 is the best Fenway can do. 4th place is still 100% capacity for them....

...I'm not going to call that bandwagon.
 
#110
#110
50% of thier current fanbase has never step foot in fenway. it's a big city they should be selling out a historic small stadium that is a tourist attraction.
 
#111
#111
droski said:
50% of thier current fanbase has never step foot in fenway. it's a big city they should be selling out a historic small stadium that is a tourist attraction.
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I'm just saying that I'm not sure that I would call the Red Sox fan base a bandwagon fan base (this city stuck with them through some bad times)....unlike the Celtics, where the city pretty much forgot them (despite their more storied success in the semi-recent history. You made your point by citing attendance numbers...I don't think it applies to the Sox.
 
#112
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TennTradition said:
I'm just saying that I'm not sure that I would call the Red Sox fan base a bandwagon fan base (this city stuck with them through some bad times)....unlike the Celtics, where the city pretty much forgot them (despite their more storied success in the semi-recent history. You made your point by citing attendance numbers...I don't think it applies to the Sox.
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every team has a loyal fanbase. particurally in a city as large as boston that only has one team. a % of the city stuck with them through some tough times. the rest jumped on the bandwaggon with an enthuisiam unseen in recent memory. don't tell me you don't know dozens of people who claim to be lifelong sox fans who you didn't even know liked baseball. i know at least half a dozen here in LA.
 
#113
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droski said:
every team has a loyal fanbase. particurally in a city as large as boston that only has one team. a % of the city stuck with them through some tough times. the rest jumped on the bandwaggon with an enthuisiam unseen in recent memory. don't tell me you don't know dozens of people who claim to be lifelong sox fans who you didn't even know liked baseball. i know at least half a dozen here in LA.
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I'm not saying that there aren't bandwagon Sox fans. Heck...I really am one. I didn't have an AL team when I moved up here, so I adopted them as my AL team. I truly am a Celtics bandwagon fan...I didn't follow them (I rooted for them...but didn't watch all their games) until this year.

...with that said, my point is that the Red Sox fanbase are not bandwagon - they have consistently showed up to root on their team (unlike Celtics fans). Same city...different type of fans.

You used attendance numbers to suggest that the Celtics fanbase was bandwagon...which I can agree with...I disagree that the Red Sox fanbase can be compared to that. They have proven otherwise. Winning games will unfortunately do two things ... 1) drive your total salary for players up (even if you don't go out and buy a bunch of players) and 2) increase the number of fans that claim to root for you...for now, at least. Heck..just look at Dallas back in the day and now. Dallas will always have a dedicated fanbase in Texas...but their national fans were in many ways bandwagon fans whose kids probably root for the Pats today.
 
#114
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droski said:
every team has a loyal fanbase. particurally in a city as large as boston that only has one team. a % of the city stuck with them through some tough times. the rest jumped on the bandwaggon with an enthuisiam unseen in recent memory. don't tell me you don't know dozens of people who claim to be lifelong sox fans who you didn't even know liked baseball. i know at least half a dozen here in LA.
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The Montreal Expos had a loyal fanbase? I suppose...enough to fill up less than 20% of their stadium on average...
 
#116
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kev20 said:
All that being said, how many TN fans suddenly became lifelong Colts fans around 1998?
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Obviously it's dishonest to pretend you've been a lifelong Colts fan when you haven't, but I don't see the reason to do it. You can root for a team as hard as anyone, even if you came to follow the team for a different reason. I don't have a problem for people who started following the Colts just because of Peyton. Those people (I'm one of them) will probably always be a different type of fan than a true lifelong Colts fan...but a fan nonetheless, IMO.
 
#117
#117
in the professional ranks, I'm much more of a fan of particular players than I am the teams. Wasn't the case before rampant player moves due to free agency. The leagues are nomadic now and I don't live near a team to love, so I follow players.
 
#118
#118
That's the difference between following a player and following a team. I've always been a Laker fan (since I was old enough to be a fan). I've always been a Shaq fan as well. I followed Shaq with every team and rooted for him to do well, but I wouldn't root against my team because he was playing against them. I didn't suddenly become a fan of every team he was on. Although, it did make it much easier to root for him when he was with the Lakers. Way to screw that up Kobe!!
 
#119
#119
BigPapaVol said:
in the professional ranks, I'm much more of a fan of particular players than I am the teams. Wasn't the case before rampant player moves due to free agency. The leagues are nomadic now and I don't live near a team to love, so I follow players.
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Me too... :good!:
 
#121
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droski said:
I love how no one mentions boston was near the bottom of the league in attendance last year. boston fans are more bandwaggon than LA fans. Both the lakers and the dodgers have been near the top of attendance in the NBA and MLB in the years they were crappy. Boston fans have proven they are the true bandwaggon fans with the red sox/pats/celts current run.
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Agreed. Baseball and basketball tend to have a lot of bandwagon fans.

If you think the Red Sox don't have an absolute crapton of bandwagon fans, you're fooling yourselves. I would say I've done a good job of consistently travelling all corners of the country for my whole life. I never noticed Boston gear prominently outside of Boston until the Red Sox started winning. Not only that, but those same people act as if they're lifelong fans. BS. Same goes for the Celtics this year.

As for LA, given that you'd expect it to be the first city with the most fairweather fans, you have to give the people there credit. LA is not like towns elsewhere in the country; if your team stinks, you can simply go do something else. If you're living in Detroit or Cleveland or Nashville, you're pretty much screwed.
 
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milohimself said:
Agreed. Baseball and basketball tend to have a lot of bandwagon fans.

If you think the Red Sox don't have an absolute crapton of bandwagon fans, you're fooling yourselves. I would say I've done a good job of consistently travelling all corners of the country for my whole life. I never noticed Boston gear prominently outside of Boston until the Red Sox started winning. Not only that, but those same people act as if they're lifelong fans. BS. Same goes for the Celtics this year.

As for LA, given that you'd expect it to be the first city with the most fairweather fans, you have to give the people there credit. LA is not like towns elsewhere in the country; if your team stinks, you can simply go do something else. If you're living in Detroit or Cleveland or Nashville, you're pretty much screwed.
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You would be surprised how many people down in Alabama said they have been Celtic fans their whole life.
 
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