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Hoss Diesel

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The common opinion amongst those who aren't a fan of the Dooley hire is that Kippy Brown should have remained Head Coach until we could find a more high profile/"better" hire than Dooley. I've seen many posts in favor of this, but no real detail or reasons as to why the poster thinks this.

I have 5 questions for those that think this would have been a better route.

1) What do you think KB's record would have been? What would the consensus reaction be to that record?

2) Who would have been your *REALISTIC* ideal hire when the time came to replace Kippy? When would we have hired?

3) How would you see the '11 recruiting class filling out with your hire from #2 at the time we hired him?

4) Do you think keeping KB as HC would be a good career move for Mike Hamilton?

5) And finally, how would have the players on our existing rosters have advanced with KB?

I'm particularly looking for responses hatvol, justingroves, utmba, and SGM. That is, if you care to entertain my question. If not, that's fine.

I'd like serious responses to the above questions. Because, to be honest, I don't understand the logic behind having essentially, a IHC in CFB. Help me understand.

Thanks for your time VN.

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For starters, you don't name him interim. You name him head football coach. You let him recruit and you get out of the way. If it works, great. If not, unwind is easier than it is going to should the current situation prove unmanageable.

I can't imagine expectations would be any worse than they are today.

I was all for giving Kippy the reins and letting him hire the D side to move forward.

Promising him a shot at the title and only playig lip service was absolute crap.
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For an xfl team. Kippy would have been a feel good hire. It would have been comforting put I don't think the results would've been there. Funny how quickly he joined Carrol when Dooley was hired after talking so much about team, etc. Respect to kippy though. Good man
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nicksjuzunk said:
For an xfl team. Kippy would have been a feel good hire. It would have been comforting put I don't think the results would've been there. Funny how quickly he joined Carrol when Dooley was hired after talking so much about team, etc. Respect to kippy though. Good man
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Would you have stayed for even a second?
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BPV, it has always been worded as leaving him as interim.

I'm not really sure how to word it. He is technically HFC for recruiting purposes, but we all know he's not a long term solution.
 
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Hoss Diesel said:
BPV, it has always been worded as leaving him as interim.

I'm not really sure how to word it. He is technically HFC for recruiting purposes, but we all know he's not a long term solution.
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Not for me. Interim as a title would be death to recruiting. He would have only been inter to the extent that he proved incapable, which is true of all of them. He would also have been a prominent AA at the helm. Sounds weak, but would help recruiting.
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BigPapaVol said:
Not for me. Interim as a title would be death to recruiting. He would have only been inter to the extent that he proved incapable, which is true of all of them. He would also have been a prominent AA at the helm. Sounds weak, but would help recruiting.
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Ok. I'm going to reword the OP saying naming CKB as HC, but everyone always refers to him as a temp solution. We'll call him HC for recruiting purposes.
 
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There is not a lot of optimism with the Dooley hire, but if kippy would have been named coach, I dont want to think about the backlash. I liked Kippy but a kippy hire means that Tennessee just gives up on the football program. At least with Dooley we are taking a chance on a younger guy who has football pedigree and an endorsement from Saban(best college coach in the nation). All great coaches had to get a break from somewhere to show their stuff, and this is DDs.
 
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Hoss, people thought I was crazy for saying it, but I thought Hamilton should have offered the job to Spurrier the day Kiffin resigned.
 
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vols5790 said:
There is not a lot of optimism with the Dooley hire, but if kippy would have been named coach, I dont want to think about the backlash. I liked Kippy but a kippy hire means that Tennessee just gives up on the football program. At least with Dooley we are taking a chance on a younger guy who has football pedigree and an endorsement from Saban(best college coach in the nation). All great coaches had to get a break from somewhere to show their stuff, and this is DDs.
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This, in a nutshell, is exactly how I feel about the hire.
 
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Hoss Diesel said:
Ok. I'm going to reword the OP saying naming CKB as HC, but everyone always refers to him as a temp solution. We'll call him HC for recruiting purposes.
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Again, they're all temp solutions unless they work. Nobody was ever going to ask Kippy to hit the recruiting trail with interim as a title.
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vols5790 said:
There is not a lot of optimism with the Dooley hire, but if kippy would have been named coach, I dont want to think about the backlash. I liked Kippy but a kippy hire means that Tennessee just gives up on the football program. At least with Dooley we are taking a chance on a younger guy who has football pedigree and an endorsement from Saban(best college coach in the nation). All great coaches had to get a break from somewhere to show their stuff, and this is DDs.
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Dooley has a better resume than Kippy? News to me.
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BigPapaVol said:
Not for me. Interim as a title would be death to recruiting. He would have only been inter to the extent that he proved incapable, which is true of all of them. He would also have been a prominent AA at the helm. Sounds weak, but would help recruiting.
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While I agree with the premise, wouldn't hiring Kippy as HFC (but for a very short term or a 1 year out clause) for the most part send the same message? Whatever the terms, the contract would become public knowledge.

I wouldn't have minded Kippy staying either, but not so sure I would have been happy with a 4-5 year agreement.
 
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Not speaking for Hat but he posted in another thread he wanted the guy from Houston, Sumlin. Guys got a good resume but I read that we reached out and got nada.
Timing was ridiculous on this deal and Kippy would have held this together like a wet paper bag. Not knocking him but what player is going to believe Kippy with no HC experience at the CFB level is our permanent guy? Hate DD if you want but he gave us a '10 recruiting class that Kippy couldn't have.
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
While I agree with the premise, wouldn't hiring Kippy as HFC (but for a very short term or a 1 year out clause) for the most part send the same message? Whatever the terms, the contract would become public knowledge.

I wouldn't have minded Kippy staying either, but not so sure I would have been happy with a 4-5 year agreement.
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You don't do the one year out clause, period. The divorce might come that quickly, but doesn't have the rancor or embarrassment that a similar separation would have with a new hire.

I honestly think Kippy was a better option as well.
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DD4ME said:
Not speaking for Hat but he posted in another thread he wanted the guy from Houston, Sumlin. Guys got a good resume but I read that we reached out and got nada.
Timing was ridiculous on this deal and Kippy would have held this together like a wet paper bag. Not knocking him but what player is going to believe Kippy with no HC experience at the CFB level is our permanent guy? Hate DD if you want but he gave us a '10 recruiting class that Kippy couldn't have.
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It was pretty widely known that our AD/Boosters did not want to spend over $2 Mil a year for a coach. Ridiculous to me, considering we are asking a coach to come to the best league in all of college football
 
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Loyalty is DEAD in CFB. Fulmer was the last loyal coach we will ever have. His ring and letterman status got him 5 years too many.

If you didn't sweat and bleed on the field on which you coach, the job is either a stepping-stone or the best gig you can get. That's just the way it is now.
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DD4ME said:
Not speaking for Hat but he posted in another thread he wanted the guy from Houston, Sumlin. Guys got a good resume but I read that we reached out and got nada.
Timing was ridiculous on this deal and Kippy would have held this together like a wet paper bag. Not knocking him but what player is going to believe Kippy with no HC experience at the CFB level is our permanent guy? Hate DD if you want but he gave us a '10 recruiting class that Kippy couldn't have.
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I don't buy it. He would have had all the support that our ostensibly ninth choice has.
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