Kippy Brown not new O-coordinator in Detroit

#51
#51
oklavol said:
NFL offensive coordinator ~500k
College offensive coordinator ~250k

which one are you going to take?
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I don't think those numbers are right. But we talked about this earlier or I responded to someone else. UT's number should be higher.

Economcs: The objective for KB (and presumably other OC candidates) may well be to secure an HC job. HC at UT pays 4 times the number you have for OC in NFL. Thus, it takes 4 NFL years to make 1 CFB HC year.

Point: Projected outcomes from these jobs are part of the financial equation, but not all of it. Probabilities for other jobs should be factored in to any economic evaluation of either position.

Second, I do think more than economics are factors. May not be love for UT, but family preferences and the like.
 
#52
#52
I could be wrong but I think the Detroit OC job will pay more than $500,000.
 
#54
#54
There are several problems with the idea of hiring Martz, not the least being that both he and Phil Fulmer are known to have control-freak tendencies. Martz has also been an NFL guy for so long that I don't even know if he'd want to go back to the college ranks, and even if he did, could he or would he recruit?

If we were going to go after an NFL guy besides Cignetti, I'd make an offer to Bill Callahan before Martz. Callahan is a great OC, just doesn't seem to be temperamentally cut out for HC. And he's been in college for the last four years and recruited extremely well in so doing.

No spread offense, period. First of all, I don't think any QB's going to succeed in the NFL running this stuff, and after a while they're going to stop going to places that run it. Second, it's not really that hard to stop. Florida would have won the NC in '06 with any decent system because Ron Zook had recruited the talent to do it. Hawaii ran very similar stuff in the late 1980s and early 1990s. (At a time when Urban Meyer was an assistant at Colorado State, playing them every year...) When they had the talent, it won. When the talent dried up, they lost.
 
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jsc1973 said:
There are several problems with the idea of hiring Martz, not the least being that both he and Phil Fulmer are known to have control-freak tendencies. Martz has also been an NFL guy for so long that I don't even know if he'd want to go back to the college ranks, and even if he did, could he or would he recruit?

If we were going to go after an NFL guy besides Cignetti, I'd make an offer to Bill Callahan before Martz. Callahan is a great OC, just doesn't seem to be temperamentally cut out for HC. And he's been in college for the last four years and recruited extremely well in so doing.

No spread offense, period. First of all, I don't think any QB's going to succeed in the NFL running this stuff, and after a while they're going to stop going to places that run it. Second, it's not really that hard to stop. Florida would have won the NC in '06 with any decent system because Ron Zook had recruited the talent to do it. Hawaii ran very similar stuff in the late 1980s and early 1990s. (At a time when Urban Meyer was an assistant at Colorado State, playing them every year...) When they had the talent, it won. When the talent dried up, they lost.
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I don't think I've ever disagreed with a post more. First and foremost, Bill Callahan is the worst coach in America. I'd prefer UT elevate a member of its custodial staff to the position before hiring Callahan.

If you think the spread is easy to stop, you should probably tune your television set to Fox.
 
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#56
utmba93 said:
Do you think he will get the full OC or is some of that money being split?
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I think with co-coordinators, as is being reported, that money would be split somehow.
 
#57
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vol_freak said:
I think with co-coordinators, as is being reported, that money would be split somehow.
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That's what I think and, of course, it helps us if he is our guy.

Don't know the details behind it all, but if he feels shortchanged, that could be ideal. The Detroit story seemed he was a certain lock, the story softened, and then shifted to his more subordinate role.

If we can get him, I like him for the UT job. It seems like a pivotal time and we have the personnel to run the offense he's likely to implement already enrolled. WR's and RB's would only get better in execution--and that would help, IMHO.

I've even wondered if these QB coaches (SF and Mich)are part of a grander Kippy-based O-staff plan. They don't seem to be on the same level that he's on.
 
#58
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kptvol said:
I don't think I've ever disagreed with a post more. First and foremost, Bill Callahan is the worst coach in America. I'd prefer UT elevate a member of its custodial staff to the position before hiring Callahan.

If you think the spread is easy to stop, you should probably tune your television set to Fox.
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Wouldn't go that far. After all, he lead the Raiders to the Super Bowl in 2002. His offense was not the problem at Nebraska.
 
#59
#59
kptvol said:
I don't think I've ever disagreed with a post more. First and foremost, Bill Callahan is the worst coach in America. I'd prefer UT elevate a member of its custodial staff to the position before hiring Callahan.

If you think the spread is easy to stop, you should probably tune your television set to Fox.
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Callahan is not a head coach, but everywhere he goes, the offense puts up points. Since we're not looking at him for a head coach, why not? He's actually not my first choice, but if we were looking at the NFL, I'd choose him over Martz. Actually, I'd choose Cignetti ahead of either one.

I'm watching the game. WV is winning the game because they have a lot of talent and it's built for that system. Players win games, not trick offenses.

I also watched some of the game where West Virginia played Pitt...spread didn't look so hot then.
 
#60
#60
Callahan is not only a bad coach, he's a bad person. I don't want him entering this state. He should go to Arkansas. He and Petrino are cut from the same cloth.
 
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jsc1973 said:
Callahan is not a head coach, but everywhere he goes, the offense puts up points. Since we're not looking at him for a head coach, why not? He's actually not my first choice, but if we were looking at the NFL, I'd choose him over Martz. Actually, I'd choose Cignetti ahead of either one.

I'm watching the game. WV is winning the game because they have a lot of talent and it's built for that system. Players win games, not trick offenses.

I also watched some of the game where West Virginia played Pitt...spread didn't look so hot then.
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Oklahoma has one of the top run defenses in the nation. West Virginia is making them look like fools. Running the spread is allowing WV to get their playmakers the ball in space. That is resulting in Sooner defenders being smoked.
 
#63
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kptvol said:
Oklahoma has one of the top run defenses in the nation. West Virginia is making them look like fools. Running the spread is allowing WV to get their playmakers the ball in space. That is resulting in Sooner defenders being smoked.
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WVU is not even a half-step behind where they would be with CRR was there for the game. Impressive!
 
#64
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kptvol said:
Callahan is not only a bad coach, he's a bad person. I don't want him entering this state. He should go to Arkansas. He and Petrino are cut from the same cloth.
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Since you live in Memphis, won't he be closer to you in Fayetteville than if he were in Knoxville?:)
 
#65
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kptvol said:
Oklahoma has one of the top run defenses in the nation. West Virginia is making them look like fools. Running the spread is allowing WV to get their playmakers the ball in space. That is resulting in Sooner defenders being smoked.
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I don't disagree with you in the least. But West Virginia also has a lot of talent and is executing the system very well. It's fun to watch when the team is good. So are the Wishbone and the run-and-shoot. But neither of them were able to produce championship teams forever.

The main reason I don't want this is that I don't expect it to last long. The spread doesn't lend itself to the type of skills that you need to be an NFL quarterback, and the more teams that run it, the more that defenses will learn how to defend it. But an offense like USC's will always work and be attractive to the recruits needed to run it.
 
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jsc1973 said:
I don't disagree with you in the least. But West Virginia also has a lot of talent and is executing the system very well. It's fun to watch when the team is good. So are the Wishbone and the run-and-shoot. But neither of them were able to produce championship teams forever.

The main reason I don't want this is that I don't expect it to last long. The spread doesn't lend itself to the type of skills that you need to be an NFL quarterback, and the more teams that run it, the more that defenses will learn how to defend it. But an offense like USC's will always work and be attractive to the recruits needed to run it.
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I don't think Pat White has delusions of being an NFL QB. In fact, he went to WVU because he couldn't get offers anywhere else to be a QB. There are plenty of quarterbacks that can run the spread effectively.
 
#67
#67
which is why PW's staying for his senior year, he'll be a wr at best in the NFL. He's a toothpick and Ray Lewis would snap him in the league, so I hope he actually gets in the weight room next year.
 
#68
#68
Co-Offensive coordinator who does not get to call plays and Asst. Head Coach title. Sounds to me like we can read into that. Sounds like Detroit reallys doesnt want to lose Kippy. They must think he is a very good coach. They basically threw some meaningless titles and more money.

Equations with money might look somewhat different though. $500K for Detroit Co-Off Coordinator for 1 year (then fired) = $500K. $350K UT Off Coordinator for more than 1 year = more than $500K.
 
#69
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I agree with Freak, I think the Detroit OC position will probably pay more then 500k, that's just a rough average for an NFL coordinator.

I think Kippy has a 50-50 shot at calling the plays at Detroit. It's either him or the offensive line coach.

I think Cut making around 350k this year, not sure if UT is going to offer Kippy the same money.
 
#70
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vol_freak said:
I think with co-coordinators, as is being reported, that money would be split somehow.
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My understanding was that Freak adjusted that figure downward to some split of the $500--absent some change in title to full OC with the Lions.

The money difference in one year may favor Detroit, but I suspect KB plans on working more than one year--and Detroit looks like a dead end year, IMO.

It'd be a lot easier to look great at UT as Cut left the offense in good shape.
 
#71
#71
I just don't think the money is driving the decision. It's always a factor, but it's not THE factor here.
 
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