Kiffin makes sense because...

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General Jack said:
You know, if for no other reason, this fact in of itself is exciting. Most of us had fulmer pretty well figured out after 5 years. Great recruiter, so so gameday coach, so so motivator, so so disciplinarian. We knew we didn't have the most astute or innovative coach, we didn't expect to see anything groundbreaking.
Now, its a clean sheet of paper. The proverbial "breath of fresh air." We don't have to expect the status quo for the next 9 months.

The sky is the limit, in part, because of the unknown... but its exciting.
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I agree with you on that. I think most of us never knew after Cutcliffe left in '98 what a huge part of Tennessee's success he was.
 
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<p>Kiffin and staff will do great. The energy level and morale of the team will be through the roof. </p>
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<p>How much of a proven winner was Saban during his time in the NFL?</p>
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hohenfelsvol said:
<p>Kiffin and staff will do great. The energy level and morale of the team will be through the roof. </p>
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<p>How much of a proven winner was Saban during his time in the NFL?</p>
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1. his nfl record is not as deplorable as kiffin's

2. he had head coaching experience prior to his stint in the SEC

3. i don't care if a guy has "energy"; i want him to be a proven winner. and that kiffin is not, sorry.

4. i assure you that kiffin is NO saban. in fact, i am willing to bet you $100 right here, right now that if he comes to UT he will not win 8 games his first season.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
1. his nfl record is not as deplorable as kiffin's

2. he had head coaching experience prior to his stint in the SEC

3. i don't care if a guy has "energy"; i want him to be a proven winner. and that kiffin is not, sorry.

4. i assure you that kiffin is NO saban. in fact, i am willing to bet you $100 right here, right now that if he comes to UT he will not win 8 games his first season.
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Not a bet I'll take. Saban probaly wouldn't either. Possible though.
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ksushalovesthevols said:
So basically a proven loser is the best available hire? I sure hope that we hold ourselves in higher esteem than that.
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once upon a time, in a land far, far away, there was a little school named USC that wanted a new coach. the story went something like this, and the rest is history:

"Carroll was named the Trojans' head football coach on December 15, 2000, signing a five-year contract after USC had gone through a tumultuous 18 day search to replace fired coach Paul Hackett. He was not the Trojans' first choice, and was considered a long shot as the USC Athletic Department under Director Mike Garrett initially planned to hire a high-profile coach with recent college experience. Meanwhile Carroll, who had not coached in over a year and not coached in the college ranks since 1983, drew unfavorable comparisons to the outgoing Hackett.

USC first pursued then Oregon State coach Dennis Erickson, who instead signed a contract extension with the Beavers; then Oregon coach Mike Bellotti, who similarly signed an extension. The search then moved to the San Diego Chargers coach Mike Riley, who had been an assistant coach at USC before later becoming the head coach of Oregon State. Stuck in contractual obligations to the Chargers (who were still in the midst of an NFL season) and hesitating about moving his family, Riley was unable to give a firm answer, opening an opportunity for Carroll, the school's fourth choice.

After the first three primary candidates turned down the position, USC hired Carroll. USC under Garrett had actually tried to recruit Carroll to be their head coach in 1997, while he was coaching the Patriots, but Carroll was unable to take the position. Garrett cited Carroll's intelligence, energy and reputation as a defensive specialist as reasons for his hire.

The choice of Carroll for USC's head coaching position was openly criticized by the media and many USC fans, primarily because of USC's stagnation under the outgoing Hackett and Carroll's record as a head coach in the NFL and being nearly two decades removed from the college level. Garrett took particular criticism for the hire, with the press tying his future with Carroll's after he had to fire two head coaches in four years for USC's premiere athletic coaching position. Former NFL players (including USC alumni), such as Ronnie Lott, Gary Plummer, Tim McDonald and Willie McGinest offered their support for Carroll, who they noted had a player-friendly, easygoing style that might suit the college game and particularly recruiting. The USC Athletic Department received 2,500 e-mails, faxes and phone calls from alumni—mostly critical—and a number of donors asking for Carroll's removal before they would donate again."
 
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Now that's a stretch; comparing Kiffin to Carol. Carol was an experienced HEAD coach at both the college and NFL level. Kiffin has one very short tenure in the NFL, and not successful at all.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Same as most of the rest of us post here.

I was okay with either Kiffin or Kelly. I thought Leach was a scary option. I figured Gruden, Cowher, and Davis would say "no". Not sure about the TCU, BYU, or any other "U" coach. Winning in the SEC is a whole 'nother beast than winning in the WAC, PAC, MAC, or (fill in the blank).

Are Kiffin's "pre-UT" numbers important? Yes, but not nearly as important as his numbers once (if) he arrives in Knoxville. That is when the numbers start to count, and you and I both know he could have been 5-15 in the NFL, or 3-30 in the CFL, and that's all forgiven the instant he runs through the "T" for the first time.

Kiffin's staff will be just as important, if not more so, than Kiffin. And before you start harping on "why would a great hire need a strong staff", take a peek back at what happened to our last head coach when his staff turned out to be less than advertised. It only takes one idiot in the Engine Room to sink the ship.

UT, Hamilton, and Kiffin have the opportunity to hit a home run here. Or a routine pop fly to shallow center. In any event, the precedent has been set at UT: Win, or else. That attitude is long overdue in Neyland Stadium.

Hope springs eternal.

Go Vols.
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Tremendous post. :clapping:
 
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Griff- What do you think about dealing with Kiffin from a media standpoint? He is reported to be a little tough to deal with sometimes.
 
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I have two thoughts for some of the recurring criticisms of LK: 1) Who ever thought South Central LA was a recruiting draw? If glamor were the criteria that maximizes recruiting the team in Westwood would be dominant. 2) I know Alabama is on top now, but why would we want to use their approach as the template. Kind of a "if you can't beat em, join em" attitude.

I didn't like the Fulmer dismissal, but if I am going to have to live with it, as I am, I find the potential Kiffin upside compelling. Why get a proven coach who may have lost the fire in his belly or just fuels it with liquor? Or as Griff puts it, Kiffin's failure at Oakland "could serve to motivate him even more than a more established coach who has become accustomed to success." Its not like Kiffin hasn't already stepped up to center stage. Shouldn't coaching searches come with the standard speculator's disclaimer: "past results do not guarantee future returns.":zeitung_lesen:
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
So basically a proven loser is the best available hire? I sure hope that we hold ourselves in higher esteem than that.
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ksushalovesthevols said:
1. his nfl record is not as deplorable as kiffin's

2. he had head coaching experience prior to his stint in the SEC

3. i don't care if a guy has "energy"; i want him to be a proven winner. and that kiffin is not, sorry.

4. i assure you that kiffin is NO saban. in fact, i am willing to bet you $100 right here, right now that if he comes to UT he will not win 8 games his first season.
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yeah, because every successful head coach was always a proven winner before they became a proven winner. brilliant.
 
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KSVOL said:
Now that's a stretch; comparing Kiffin to Carol. Carol was an experienced HEAD coach at both the college and NFL level. Kiffin has one very short tenure in the NFL, and not successful at all.
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where was Carroll a HC in college before USC?
 
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KSVOL said:
Now that's a stretch; comparing Kiffin to Carol. Carol was an experienced HEAD coach at both the college and NFL level. Kiffin has one very short tenure in the NFL, and not successful at all.
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Carroll's first head coaching job was with the Jets. He was never a head in college. He was a career assistant before the Jets.
 
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Not sure TheVol....

I know Saban has adjusted a bit to the SEC Media...when I was Prez of FWAA it (access) was an issue we battled for.

Ron Higgins, who took over as FWAA Prez, is fighting the same fight

I would think it would be about the same as it is now at UT -- not the best, not the worst.

Unfortunately, not the way it used to be at UT
 
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tidwell said:
yeah, because every successful head coach was always a proven winner before they became a proven winner. brilliant.
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if you read carefully, the implication in my statement is that a proven winner is likely to continue winning, not that no coach without a proven record can become a winner. there is a HUGE difference there. i hope you appreciate it.
 
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3L with debt said:
No one hates the guy personally. Just what he will put everyone on this board through for the next three to four years.
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Exactly. I don't know the guy to hate him personally. I'll be the first to admit that I don't know much about his personality. I couldn't tell you if he's cocky or mousy, loud and prone to explosive outbursts of emotion or humble and collected. And, quite frankly, I don't care.

What I know about him is what I see on paper - that he hasn't proven that he has what it takes to win in the SEC. Again, that is not to say he won't, but it is a far bigger risk to take on a potential winner than a proven one. Right now, that's not a risk I think our program can afford to take. Two more years of sliding off the polls into oblivion and we'll be BEGGING the likes of Cutty to take the reigns, but will likely have to settle for some no namer from Western Podunk University's Div 2 assistant coaching pool.

If this works out, great. I'm happy to get the W's any way we can, but if it doesn't, there's far too much at stake for us to believe that we can have a so much as a sniff at a high caliber coach.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
if you read carefully, the implication in my statement is that a proven winner is likely to continue winning, not that no coach without a proven record can become a winner. there is a HUGE difference there. i hope you appreciate it.
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and the implication of my statement was that you don't have to have previous head coaching experience or a ton of wins in your back pocket to be a successful head coach, as pointed out thirty million times by various posters, most notably Ohio Vol. i hope you appreciate it.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
What I know about him is what I see on paper - that he hasn't proven that he has what it takes to win in the SEC. Again, that is not to say he won't, but it is a far bigger risk to take on a potential winner than a proven one. Right now, that's not a risk I think our program can afford to take. Two more years of sliding off the polls into oblivion and we'll be BEGGING the likes of Cutty to take the reigns, but will likely have to settle for some no namer from Western Podunk University's Div 2 assistant coaching pool.
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Right, an over the hill guy who could give us 2 or 3 years? No thanks, the choice has been made. Could there be a better choice, I think so, but let's ride the horse we have not pine over the one on the other side of the fence.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
1. his nfl record is not as deplorable as kiffin's

2. he had head coaching experience prior to his stint in the SEC

3. i don't care if a guy has "energy"; i want him to be a proven winner. and that kiffin is not, sorry.

4. i assure you that kiffin is NO saban. in fact, i am willing to bet you $100 right here, right now that if he comes to UT he will not win 8 games his first season.
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If he IS anything like Saban he wont win 8 games next year.

Saban won 7 his first year at Bama.
 
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