Kiffin doesn't lack for much

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Writer32 said:
If you'll notice I only write blogs when I feel compelled --if it was all about getting hits and clicks, you'd see something every day. During the football and basketball season, you may see that, simply because there is more day-to-day activities to comment on.
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If you were being honest, and it wasn't about the clicks, why don't you just copy/paste your article?
I don't care because I don't run the board, I'm just curious.
 
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Axion Jaxion said:
If you were being honest, and it wasn't about the clicks, why don't you just copy/paste your article?
I don't care because I don't run the board, I'm just curious.
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Just don't click on it man... Solves all the world's problems.
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Writer32 said:
First of all, I never suggested the ath dept. and the academics are not separate -- but it's a moot point. For example, maybe with $400,000 UT could have hired a men's track coach and not combined the programs...

Bottom line, the two are ultimately intertwined. It's splitting hairs to suggest otherwise.

I meant to say UT has not been on probation since the league split in 1992 -- that was my thought, and in my haste to post the blog, it was ommitted. It was a mistake. But it didn't change the point I was making that UT has a very strong compliance record and a very clean image.

AS for posting over here, I have read and participated on this board, and the Insiders, for years. I like the interaction and place a great deal of value on it.

I happen to be good friends with the VolFreak - we talk UT sports all the time, argue and fuss, and generally have a good time with it. Randy Moore is a journalist I respect and he and I have worked alongside one another for years

GoVolsXtra has its loyal readers and a strong viewershipe base, but my objective is to reach out to all UT fans to get the best perspective I can.

I also like to bounce my thoughts off as many of those fans as I can. It helps me stay in touch with what people in the UT sports community are thinking, wondering, asking, and that makes me more effective in my reporting endeavors for the News Sentinel, my radio time on WNML, my television appearances with WVLT and MyVLT2 and my stories for Athlon Magazine.

I also have a twitter account, and just about every other networking thing you can think of.

If you'll notice I only write blogs when I feel compelled --if it was all about getting hits and clicks, you'd see something every day. During the football and basketball season, you may see that, simply because there is more day-to-day activities to comment on.

I consider the VolNation and Insiders part of my sports community. I don't do Rivals posts.

I don't feel the need to subscribe and pay the Rivals fee, because the only thing I am interested in over there is their recruiting rankings, and those are free.

That's just my opinion. So there you go, I explained it, partly because I like Kenny Powers.

-- Mike
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First your excuse was that it happened before your started covering the SEC in 1993. So which is it?

Or is it like you said earlier that we simply cannot understand the sophistication of the media world?
 
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Also Griff you never explained why you didnt write a report on how bad it was for the University to hire Coach Fulmer to raise funds, give him an office and secretary while others were being laid off and tuition was going up. I also dont recall (correct me if I'm wrong) you doing a story on how Fulmer getting 6 mill to leave was so bad for the same reasons you stated about Kiff. Can you or would you simplify it in a non sophisticated media way so the rest of us could understand why you didnt do a blog on either of those with Fulmer yet with Kiff you did.
 
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Axion Jaxion said:
Real cool to pile on someone who already has their hands tied as to what they can say before they get punted off the board.
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Who's fault is that? I hope you don't get kicked off this board. You sound like a smart person who is knowledgeable on many topics, and I would hate to see you go, but you did this to yourself. No need to get upset at other people.
 
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Axion Jaxion said:
Real cool to pile on someone who already has their hands tied as to what they can say before they get punted off the board.
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It's also real cool to be in that position....oh wait, no it's not. Don't blame me for some of your boastful, antagonistic, annoying posts. I'm not the first to tell you this. Maybe you should listen for once. A pretty easygoing Mod has called you out. That should tell you a lot.
 
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Writer32 said:
First of all, I never suggested the ath dept. and the academics are not separate -- but it's a moot point. For example, maybe with $400,000 UT could have hired a men's track coach and not combined the programs...

Bottom line, the two are ultimately intertwined. It's splitting hairs to suggest otherwise.
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It's not splitting hairs at all. The budgets are completely separate. Your article implied that Hamilton was spending money that would otherwise have been available for academics:

The headlines hit me like a ton of bricks last week.

"UT to cut 500 spots,'' was on the front page of the Knoxville News Sentinel Thursday.

Then, atop the Sports section that same day: "UT will pay Smith to depart''

So let's get this straight: The University of Tennessee is cutting 500 positions and raising tuition nine percent.

Meanwhile, the Vols' football program is paying $400,000 to let go a strength coach, Mark Smith, that it just hired.

And UT is letting him go without cause.

It was a matter of UT coach Lane Kiffin changing his mind.

Oops. $400,000 mistake.

Can you imagine making a mistake at your workplace that amounted to your company losing roughly one-fifth of your salary?

This, at a time, when others are being laid off?
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Either you don't know how separate the budgets really are, or you're dishonestly juxtaposing UT's layoffs and the Smith payoff in order to score a cheap rhetorical point. Your article pretty clearly implies that Hamilton and Kiffin spent money to get rid of Smith that otherwise would have been available to save a few jobs.

Does it "look bad in this economy," whatever that means? Yeah, maybe a little -- but nothing compared to what they're spending on the stadium while the university is broke, or to pay off Fulmer, or that library budgets are always getting slashed with the football team always has all the money it wants. These budgets have always been completely separate, and to set the Mark Smith payoff next to a story about UT layoffs as though they have anything whatsoever to do with each other is cheap sensationalism.

If the two really were so "ultimately intertwined" that "it's splitting hairs to suggest otherwise," would the UTAD have had to make such a huge public deal a few months ago about its oh-so-generous contribution to the academic side? All that ESPN money coming into "the university," supposedly, and yet there was Mike Hamilton ostentatiously waving a check around over his head like the richest man in the congregation before dropping it in the collection plate.
 
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Writer32 said:
First of all, I never suggested the ath dept. and the academics are not separate -- but it's a moot point. For example, maybe with $400,000 UT could have hired a men's track coach and not combined the programs...

Bottom line, the two are ultimately intertwined. It's splitting hairs to suggest otherwise.

I meant to say UT has not been on probation since the league split in 1992 -- that was my thought, and in my haste to post the blog, it was ommitted. It was a mistake. But it didn't change the point I was making that UT has a very strong compliance record and a very clean image.

AS for posting over here, I have read and participated on this board, and the Insiders, for years. I like the interaction and place a great deal of value on it.

I happen to be good friends with the VolFreak - we talk UT sports all the time, argue and fuss, and generally have a good time with it. Randy Moore is a journalist I respect and he and I have worked alongside one another for years

GoVolsXtra has its loyal readers and a strong viewershipe base, but my objective is to reach out to all UT fans to get the best perspective I can.

I also like to bounce my thoughts off as many of those fans as I can. It helps me stay in touch with what people in the UT sports community are thinking, wondering, asking, and that makes me more effective in my reporting endeavors for the News Sentinel, my radio time on WNML, my television appearances with WVLT and MyVLT2 and my stories for Athlon Magazine.

I also have a twitter account, and just about every other networking thing you can think of.

If you'll notice I only write blogs when I feel compelled --if it was all about getting hits and clicks, you'd see something every day. During the football and basketball season, you may see that, simply because there is more day-to-day activities to comment on.

I consider the VolNation and Insiders part of my sports community. I don't do Rivals posts.

I don't feel the need to subscribe and pay the Rivals fee, because the only thing I am interested in over there is their recruiting rankings, and those are free.

That's just my opinion. So there you go, I explained it, partly because I like Kenny Powers.

-- Mike
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Most track programs are already combined in multiple different programs...

But for the record football could have afforded to buy a track coach as well Mike...
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Just because the departments are independent, does not make losing $ on the football side inconsequential to the academic side. Indeed, the athletics department is, at least informally, expected to contribute some funds to the academic side with some of its profits, or channel donations that way. How many times have Vol fans told the athletics department to not whine about the social dominance of football on campus on the grounds that the football programs brings in $ for the academic side? (Go back to the whole tutor-gate issues and see the screaming posts on that topic). So, now, suddenly saying no $ could ever go to academics would undermine the argument that the football program aids the academics department through, though occasional or indirect, excess profit donations or channeled contributions, once which dip with financially costly mistakes like the whole Smith debacle.

Comparing it to paying Fulmer's buyout for firing him is only fair if you mean to say it shows bad money management by Hamilton, who either a) should have put Fulmer on notice of the possibility of firing him with a low buyout clause in 2007; or b) shouldn't have fired him. The buyout clause gave Hamilton great ambush power over PF, because Hamilton knew the buyout would be relatively easy internally. Fulmer likely does not hire Clawson, and who knows how the season goes, if he knew Hamilton was placing him on a short leash.

Bottom line is LK did enough controversial acts in 9 months to equal years and years of Fulmer controversy, yet the fan-base aggressively defends the former and did anything but for the latter. There's a reason for that poster who noted most of the country thinks we're a laughingstock at the moment for hiring LK, not geniuses. That doesn't make them right; but it does make Griff's point a legit one.
 
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VegasVol said:
Bottom line is LK did enough controversial acts in 9 months to equal years and years of Fulmer controversy, yet the fan-base aggressively defends the former and did anything but for the latter. There's a reason for that poster who noted most of the country thinks we're a laughingstock at the moment for hiring LK, not geniuses. That doesn't make them right; but it does make Griff's point a legit one.
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No.
 
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VegasVol said:
Just because the departments are independent, does not make losing $ on the football side inconsequential to the academic side. Indeed, the athletics department is, at least informally, expected to contribute some funds to the academic side with some of its profits, or channel donations that way. How many times have Vol fans told the athletics department to not whine about the social dominance of football on campus on the grounds that the football programs brings in $ for the academic side? (Go back to the whole tutor-gate issues and see the screaming posts on that topic). So, now, suddenly saying no $ could ever go to academics would undermine the argument that the football program aids the academics department through, though occasional or indirect, excess profit donations or channeled contributions, once which dip with financially costly mistakes like the whole Smith debacle.

Comparing it to paying Fulmer's buyout for firing him is only fair if you mean to say it shows bad money management by Hamilton, who either a) should have put Fulmer on notice of the possibility of firing him with a low buyout clause in 2007; or b) shouldn't have fired him. The buyout clause gave Hamilton great ambush power over PF, because Hamilton knew the buyout would be relatively easy internally. Fulmer likely does not hire Clawson, and who knows how the season goes, if he knew Hamilton was placing him on a short leash.

Bottom line is LK did enough controversial acts in 9 months to equal years and years of Fulmer controversy, yet the fan-base aggressively defends the former and did anything but for the latter. There's a reason for that poster who noted most of the country thinks we're a laughingstock at the moment for hiring LK, not geniuses. That doesn't make them right; but it does make Griff's point a legit one.
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Mike Hamilton did make a mistake by making a contract extension to Fulmer. He was merely trying to show support after the fan base had started to turn. He didn't foresee Fulmer and the rest of the inept staff rolling over and dropping the ball on the previous season.

With that said... You and Griff are still wrong.

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VegasVol said:
Just because the departments are independent, does not make losing $ on the football side inconsequential to the academic side. Indeed, the athletics department is, at least informally, expected to contribute some funds to the academic side with some of its profits, or channel donations that way. How many times have Vol fans told the athletics department to not whine about the social dominance of football on campus on the grounds that the football programs brings in $ for the academic side? (Go back to the whole tutor-gate issues and see the screaming posts on that topic). So, now, suddenly saying no $ could ever go to academics would undermine the argument that the football program aids the academics department through, though occasional or indirect, excess profit donations or channeled contributions, once which dip with financially costly mistakes like the whole Smith debacle.

Comparing it to paying Fulmer's buyout for firing him is only fair if you mean to say it shows bad money management by Hamilton, who either a) should have put Fulmer on notice of the possibility of firing him with a low buyout clause in 2007; or b) shouldn't have fired him. The buyout clause gave Hamilton great ambush power over PF, because Hamilton knew the buyout would be relatively easy internally. Fulmer likely does not hire Clawson, and who knows how the season goes, if he knew Hamilton was placing him on a short leash.

Bottom line is LK did enough controversial acts in 9 months to equal years and years of Fulmer controversy, yet the fan-base aggressively defends the former and did anything but for the latter. There's a reason for that poster who noted most of the country thinks we're a laughingstock at the moment for hiring LK, not geniuses. That doesn't make them right; but it does make Griff's point a legit one.
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If Fulmer was stupid and/or arrogant enough to be oblivious to the fact that a decade without an SEC title wouldn't cost him his job, it just proves everything I've ever written about the man.
 
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VegasVol said:
Just because the departments are independent, does not make losing $ on the football side inconsequential to the academic side. Indeed, the athletics department is, at least informally, expected to contribute some funds to the academic side with some of its profits, or channel donations that way. How many times have Vol fans told the athletics department to not whine about the social dominance of football on campus on the grounds that the football programs brings in $ for the academic side? (Go back to the whole tutor-gate issues and see the screaming posts on that topic). So, now, suddenly saying no $ could ever go to academics would undermine the argument that the football program aids the academics department through, though occasional or indirect, excess profit donations or channeled contributions, once which dip with financially costly mistakes like the whole Smith debacle.
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All of this stuff about how much money the athletic department contributes to academics is pretty much just BS. The UTAD has a budget of something like $90m a year, and yet they contribute how much to the general university? One or two million? I mean, a million dollars is a million dollars, but it's less than two percent of their budget. (And, as I recall reading, a bunch of what they do give goes towards AD-friendly stuff like the band.) UTK would do better if they just charged the athletic department rent.

If the UTAD is such an important source of revenue to the university's academics, then where's all that brand new ESPN money going? You'd think that one-twelfth of $200 million a year would help out with some of these budget cuts, wouldn't you?

That's the scandal here. Bringing up Mark Smith's measly payout in context with these budget cuts is just dumb.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
All of this stuff about how much money the athletic department contributes to academics is pretty much just BS. The UTAD has a budget of something like $90m a year, and yet they contribute how much to the general university? One or two million? I mean, a million dollars is a million dollars, but it's less than two percent of their budget. (And, as I recall reading, a bunch of what they do give goes towards AD-friendly stuff like the band.) UTK would do better if they just charged the athletic department rent.

If the UTAD is such an important source of revenue to the university's academics, then where's all that brand new ESPN money going? You'd think that one-twelfth of $200 million a year would help out with some of these budget cuts, wouldn't you?

That's the scandal here. Bringing up Mark Smith's measly payout in context with these budget cuts is just dumb.
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Please don't bring logic to this thread...
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