Kiffin and Co. handling the arrest situation perfectly.

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dimera23

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There seems to be alot of pressure from some fans for Coach Kiffin to make a rush decision to dismiss Janzen Jackson, Nu'Keese Richardson and Mike Edwards from the team. I have to ask those folks: "What's the rush?"

What good would it do to kick three potential impact players off the team without taking the time to find out exactly what happened? What message would it send to future recruits if an accusation was enough to cost them their scholarship?

Just because the Knoxville Police Department arrested these three players does not mean that they are guilty of a crime. We don't know a great deal about the incident. We don't know much about the credibility of the alleged victims. We don't even know if Jackson is accused of having any involvement other than being there.

Once we have all this information, then the coaching staff should take their time to consider how serious this actually is. No one was hurt in the incident. No one was even actually robbed. To me, this sounds more like a dumb prank than an actual crime.

The age of the accused must also be considered. They're all still teenagers. People do stupid things at that age. Things they should be punished for, but there is no reason to ruin their lives for them. Coach Kiffin needs to make sure the punishment fits the crime.

If the three are convicted of the alleged crimes, they should be suspended. I think expulsion would be too harsh. It'd be different if someone were hurt or if the crime were more serious or if this were a repeat offense.
 
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That's a good point. For the moment, it sounds like Kiffin is being tough on them, which is good for PR. The ESPN headline is "Kiffin: Charged players to sit out indefinitely." That sounds appropriately harsh. He may wait till after the season is over, then announce that Nuke & Edwards are dismissed from UT, but that since Janzen was cleared of all charges, that he may have a chance to earn a spot back on the team next season after having his scholarship revoked for next semester.
 
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I must say that I do agree with him sitting them until after the season then make an announcement. There has been enough distraction because of them, therefore why add to it?
 
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You can't have armed robbers in your program. It doesn't matter if nobody got hurt or how credible the victims are.

JJ will stay and play next year. The suspect who didn't pull the pistol will probably stay, too. Whoever had the gun is done. This crime wasn't particularly heinous but what would we all be saying if the pellet gun went off in the victim's face and blinded or seriously hurt him?
 
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You can't have armed robbers in your program. It doesn't matter if nobody got hurt or how credible the victims are.

JJ will stay and play next year. The suspect who didn't pull the pistol will probably stay, too. Whoever had the gun is done. This crime wasn't particularly heinous but what would we all be saying if the pellet gun went off in the victim's face and blinded or seriously hurt him?
See Hood...Daniel.
 
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I saw an interview with the two victims of the incident and I think there is more to this story than what is out there. Regardless they should pay the price and I dont think they should be a part of this great program or institution but I think there is more than meets the eye with this story.
 
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Here is my hypothetical situation:

Let's just imagine for a second that one of them or all are cleared and join the team again.

What kind of hell is Kiffin going to put them through to earn their way back? He isn't just going to hand it back to them. I imagine it is going to be awful.
 
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I think he is smart to wait too, because I believe a Penn St. player a few years ago got arrested and kicked off the team. Then a few months later all the charges were dropped and he sued the University for wrongful expungemnet and he won!

Have to let these things play out.
 
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See Hood...Daniel.

Hood was what, 14 at the time? He has had several years to prove that the horrible incident was not indicative of his character. Nuke & Edwards won't have that opportunity, and this will go on their permanent record.
 
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See Hood...Daniel.


The staff did their due diligence with Hood. He has had 5 years to prove himself since his incident. That is plenty of time for him to prove his character.

If Hood had actually committed the rape then I doubt the staff would have taken a chance on him.

The current players are legally adults. Hood was the age of an 8th grader when he got in trouble and was not the primary culprit. I fault the father for allowing the 18 year old to be in the house, not Hood for not being able to stand up to an older influence that he had no business being around.
 
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Hood was what, 14 at the time? He has had several years to prove that the horrible incident was not indicative of his character. Nuke & Edwards won't have that opportunity, and this will go on their permanent record.
If convicted....but if we are into giving second chances...this is no worse.
 
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I saw an interview with the two victims of the incident and I think there is more to this story than what is out there. Regardless they should pay the price and I dont think they should be a part of this great program or institution but I think there is more than meets the eye with this story.


Everything screams that they were buying weed from the victims. I honestly think that JJ was just getting a ride to the store since the others were going out anyway.

The victims definitely looked like stoners to me.
 
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I was going to agree with the OP until I got towards the end of his post.

If they are found guilty of attempted armed robbery they have to be kicked off the team, out of the school etc...

Not to mention they will be in prison for years to come hopefully...



"more of a dumb prank than an actual crime" Are you kidding me???
 
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Where is the kid that pointed the gun at another driver a while back?
 
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I think there is a billboard up near the Cherry Street Exit that says it best: "Gun Crime Equals Hard Time".
 
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If convicted....but if we are into giving second chances...this is no worse.


Yes it is, because they are old enough to be held fully accountable. I'm not excusing Hood for allowing that to happen to his cousin but I'm also not going to condemn him for the rest of his life for something he allowed to happen while he was 13.
 
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Yes it is, because they are old enough to be held fully accountable. I'm not excusing Hood for allowing that to happen to his cousin but I'm also not going to condemn him for the rest of his life for something he allowed to happen while he was 13.
but you will condemn an 18 or any other human for that matter?
 
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If they are convicted of armed robbery CLK is off the hook, can't play while in prison (sure there is NCAA rule about that). If not convicted CLK will have to weigh all the facts and we still don't know all the facts and make a decision. I really think Nuke is gone (big house) and good chance Edwards is too, JJ by either luck or what have you might be able to come back.
 
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If they are convicted of armed robbery CLK is off the hook, can't play while in prison (sure there is NCAA rule about that). If not convicted CLK will have to weigh all the facts and we still don't know all the facts and make a decision. I really think Nuke is gone (big house) and good chance Edwards is too, JJ by either luck or what have you might be able to come back.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Unless the victims are found to have lied about the whole thing (which I highly doubt), I really don't see any way that Nuke or Edwards will be back.
 
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I have to agree with the lot of you. It makes no sense to cater to a few anxious fans and media personnel when the future of these boys is on the line. However, I'm not sure what to say if JJ is indeed absolved of his charge whether he knew what was going on or not. Fact remains that JJ has been in more trouble than the other two and just sat out a game for whatever he may or may not have done. Either way, if the other two get the boot and JJ stays, every commentator, writer and person with a national audience will not stop to bring up this one incident for his entire stay at UT. For every missed curfew, team rule broken, any and all small matters, this incident WILL ALWAYS be referenced.

I'm wondering if Kiffin and Co. want that on their plate.
 

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