Kevin Love

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Slim Charles Barkley just said he's the best PF in the NBA on PTI. I guess I'm not the only "crazy" person.
 
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Charles Barkley must have been smoking crack. I'd say the roster around him is better than the trash Chris Bosh was leading to the playoffs with the Raptors. It seems to be a struggle for Love to keep his team out of last place. Being the best player with that record is liking being being the 4th best player on a team that isn't the the worst in the NBA. I'd take him but go down the list of best players position by position in the NBA and I assure you they aren't finishing 18-64 or whatever is the Wolves finished last year. If he's the best PF in the NBA then he has problems. Guess I'd rather have all the no name players the Pacers are fielding over Love, Beasley, Williams, Johnson, Rubio etc. A team full of lottery picks and the best PF in the NBA is still apparently one of the worst teams in the NBA. Nice
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Charles Barkley must have been smoking crack. I'd say the roster around him is better than the trash Chris Bosh was leading to the playoffs with the Raptors. It seems to be a struggle for Love to keep his team out of last place. Being the best player with that record is liking being being the 4th best player on a team that isn't the the worst in the NBA. I'd take him but go down the list of best players position by position in the NBA and I assure you they aren't finishing 18-64 or whatever is the Wolves finished last year. If he's the best PF in the NBA then he has problems. Guess I'd rather have all the no name players the Pacers are fielding over Love, Beasley, Williams, Johnson, Rubio etc. A team full of lottery picks and the best PF in the NBA is still apparently one of the worst teams in the NBA. Nice
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That's an absurd statement considering the Raptors won 22 games without Bosh and Minnesota won 17 games with Love. The only way for your statement to be accurate is if Love were a terrible player dragging his team down, and I don't think you believe that.
 
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Since you like stats especially +/-

Kevin Love currently has the worst in the game at -11 for the Wolves. He has the best stats but the Griz have fared best against him as far as winning the game goes. Williams and Tolliver have the best at +9 and +12. I don't know why but Kevin Love just doesn't seem to be a winner or a leader. He could probably average 80/30 and he'd still lose.
 
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I don't have the +/- in front of me..but I'm gonna guess Williams and tolliver have such good numbers because they were on the floor when the run was made against our bench... Apples to oranges.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Since you like stats especially +/-

Kevin Love currently has the worst in the game at -11 for the Wolves. He has the best stats but the Griz have fared best against him as far as winning the game goes. Williams and Tolliver have the best at +9 and +12. I don't know why but Kevin Love just doesn't seem to be a winner or a leader. He could probably average 80/30 and he'd still lose.
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I like good stats, and +/- is not very telling because it's largely affected by the other 4 guys on the court with you. Mario Chalmers is 4th best in the league in +/-. Andre Miller is 2nd. Spencer Hawes is top 10.
 
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Kevin Love is 4th in the league in PER for what it's worth. Despite it being early in the season and such a small sample size, that is still saying something.
 
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JelloPuddinPup said:
Kevin Love is 4th in the league in PER for what it's worth. Despite it being early in the season and such a small sample size, that is still saying something.
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Though I like that it supports my argument, PER is kind of a joke. As long as you shoot 33%, the more you score the higher your PER is. A guy shooting 35% is hurting his team, and the stat encourages that idiot to shoot more. Pretty backwards.
 
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Kevin Love is never going to be "The Guy" for a winning NBA franchise. That said, he can be an awesome complementary player for some franchise. They aren't similar in style, but Pau Gasol and Love may end up having very similar career paths. Gasol put up good numbers on a consistant basis for the Grizz because the team was pretty bad. Once he went to the Lakers and played a secondary position, he was able to win. Hopefully Kevin Love can do that, too.
 
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I'm not sure why people think that Love couldn't be the top guy on a good team...he has made huge strides from year to year.
 
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He racked up stats on an awful team. I'm not saying he's bad, but he's not an elite player in the league, in my opinion.
 
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GahLee said:
I'm not sure why people think that Love couldn't be the top guy on a good team...he has made huge strides from year to year.
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He's the perfect complementary player with his skill set. Distance shooting, hard nosed rebounder, outlet passing pro. But he's not a dominate offensive/defensive player by himself, can't create his own shot outside of a few post moves against the average defender and is not much of a ball handler.

Now, I'm not saying he needs to be all of those thing to be THE guy, but a few more of them are required in my opinion. He's closest to being a dominate offensive force, so maybe that's what he should pursue.

Regardless, he's a darned good player and I like watching him play. I hope he becomes THE guy on a great team.
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
Kevin Love is never going to be "The Guy" for a winning NBA franchise. That said, he can be an awesome complementary player for some franchise. They aren't similar in style, but Pau Gasol and Love may end up having very similar career paths. Gasol put up good numbers on a consistant basis for the Grizz because the team was pretty bad. Once he went to the Lakers and played a secondary position, he was able to win. Hopefully Kevin Love can do that, too.
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Oh really? Career averages:

Memphis - 18.8 ppg, 8.6 rpg
LA - 18.6 ppg, 9.9 rpg
 
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JelloPuddinPup said:
He's the perfect complementary player with his skill set. Distance shooting, hard nosed rebounder, outlet passing pro. But he's not a dominate offensive/defensive player by himself, can't create his own shot outside of a few post moves against the average defender and is not much of a ball handler.

Now, I'm not saying he needs to be all of those thing to be THE guy, but a few more of them are required in my opinion. He's closest to being a dominate offensive force, so maybe that's what he should pursue.

Regardless, he's a darned good player and I like watching him play. I hope he becomes THE guy on a great team.
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Dude, you are way off in your assessment. Anybody that can average 9-10 defensive boards is inherently a dominant defensive player. Anybody that can average 20+ (25 so far this season) on as few shots as he takes is inherently a dominant offensive player. What you mean is that he's not extremely versatile. He's not going to block a lot of shots, and he's not going to cross guys over, but he does the most important things (scoring and rebounding) as productively as anybody in the league.

And he can create his own offense in his own way. 6 offensive rpg, so far this season. That's insane!
 
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nbakerld said:
Oh really? Career averages:

Memphis - 18.8 ppg, 8.6 rpg
LA - 18.6 ppg, 9.9 rpg
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He was actually on a good team when he got to Los Angeles. He went from getting garbage points at Memphis to getting great looks on a team with Kobe, Drew and Odom as threats.
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
He was actually on a good team when he got to Los Angeles. He went from getting garbage points at Memphis to getting great looks on a team with Kobe, Drew and Odom as threats.
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Yeah, I know. I thought your point was that it's easy to rack up stats on bad teams, but it seems now your point is it's also easy to rack up stats on good teams?
 
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