Kelsey Pope?? Does Heupel need to look at getting a new WRs coach?

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SamuraiVol74 said:
That is true, Nighthawk.

In regards to Martinez's job and the play of the whole defense, I will always advocate that the effectiveness of the defensive backfield is predicated on the success of the D-Line. No pressure up front, DBs get torched in most cases. That being said and specific to the Georgia game, there were too many times no one (corners or safeties) were aiding linebackers in TE coverage. Linebackers can cover TEs, but they usually need some help over the top. That help was void this past Saturday. My disappointment is with the entire defensive performance and too many times, it looks like Banks and all his defensive coaches have game planned based on what the previous opponent of the team they are facing did......and that turns out to be all wrong. Then, they struggle to adjust/adapt. To me, that is a product of every coach on that side of the ball. Martinez included.
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So basically Martinez’s group plays good and still Willie is to blame? 😂 CBs bad? Blame Willie. CBs good? Eh what the hell let’s still blame Willie.
 
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SamuraiVol74 said:
Anyone who doesn't look at certain coaches and think "wow, we could be better" are only looking at things through Vol-tinted glasses. Halzle, Elarbee, Martinez, and Pope are all issues that should be addressed.
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Dooley,Pruitt, Butch,Sunseri, need I go on. Get you a new team because you will never be happy till the Vols are perfect ! But they are only accepting PERFECT FANS
 
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The_topis_Rocky89 said:
He is a good recruiter however this is 2 years in a row that our WRs have not played to the level that we need them to. They do not consistently catch the ball and no longer break tackles.
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Absolutely..We have to be top 5 in dropped passes. Squirrel has 12+ plus on his own. We need a WR, OL and OC upgrade. Heupel needs to give up play calling, bring in a guy that the 2 can incorporate both of their systems and change $hit up. Our offense is so predictable and has very little creativity. And damn sure not very many adjustments. I believe teams have caught on to our offense and needs to add more wrinkles to it. We're way too damn predictable.
 
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Budalicious said:
Dooley,Pruitt, Butch,Sunseri, need I go on. Get you a new team because you will never be happy till the Vols are perfect ! But they are only accepting PERFECT FANS
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Fans have the right to complain or whatever they want. Nobody needs your advice and can pull for whomever they want. That's why the ignore button is there. So STFU and let posters vent if they want. That's what message boards are for!
 
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bpalmer28 said:
You’re free to have an opinion. I just think our DBs are playing extremely well this year, most of whom are 1st year players in our system, that signifies good coach
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barney said:
if you look at Pope's history...the only prolific passing team he has ever been a part of was the 2022 volunteers in his first year as wide receivers coach when he was gifted a biletnikof level talent by his predecessor and one of the best passers in Tennessee history was under center. His other results are not encouraging.

2018-19 Shorter University, Asst Wide Receiver Coach: 187 passing yds per game. Leading receiver 388 yards and 3 tds
2019-20 Tennessee Tech, Wide receiver Coach: 238 passing yds per game. Leading receiver 629 yds 3 tds.
2020-21 Gardner Webb*, passing game coordinator: 178.5 passing yds per game. Leading receiver 267 yds 2 tds.
2021-22 -Tennessee offensive analyst-
22-23 Tennesse wide receivers coach: 326 yds per game. Leading receiver (Jalin Hyatt) 15 tds
23-24 Tennessee: 243 passing yds per game. Leading receiver: Squirrel White, 803
24-25 Tennessee: 229 passing yds per game. Leading receiver: Donte Thornton, 505**

Average over 6 years of coaching: 233 yds per game

*Season cut to 4 games due to covid
**Season in progress
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... Imho, it's that same with Martinez, and I'm starting to put the new-ish OC in the same boat:
The longer these 3 coaches have to "coach" a player, the worse the player actually plays. In other words, the players are more successful early in their careers than later, due to misguided (poor) coaching undermining the talent and their abilities.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Absolutely..We have to be top 5 in dropped passes. Squirrel has 12+ plus on his own. We need a WR, OL and OC upgrade. Heupel needs to give up play calling, bring in a guy that the 2 can incorporate both of their systems and change $hit up. Our offense is so predictable and has very little creativity. And damn sure not very many adjustments. I believe teams have caught on to our offense and needs to add more wrinkles to it. We're way too damn predictable.
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... and what's up with the "stop running, stiffen up, and lean out to dive every catch" method??? Leaping dive attempts aside, it seems almost every time S. White puts his hands out to catch, his feet stop churning. He literally lays out for balls thrown on stride, and it seems others are starting to adopt the technique-- which might point towards instruction (of some sort), idk. What do y'all think?
 
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WRs can't get open, they drop an awful lot of passes. Some would say we have regressed since Pope took over. Last year we blamed Milton's lack of touch and did he threw too hard.

Definitely couldn't hurt to upgrade this position
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Fans have the right to complain or whatever they want. Nobody needs your advice and can pull for whomever they want. That's why the ignore button is there. So STFU and let posters vent if they want. That's what message boards are for!
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You will never be happy. I’m venting about posters that will never be happy. So just ignore me ….
 
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10seV4L said:
... Imho, it's that same with Martinez, and I'm starting to put the new-ish OC in the same boat:
The longer these 3 coaches have to "coach" a player, the worse the player actually plays. In other words, the players are more successful early in their careers than later, due to misguided (poor) coaching undermining the talent and their abilities.
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I've been a vocal Martinez critic over the years, but I am actually pretty pleased with his unit this year. Really their only bad pass defense games were Arkansas and Georgia and I mainly fault the safeties and linebackers in both of those contests, not the corners.

Martinez is never gonna be an elite DB coach but if he can continue to recruit his position group as well as he has over the last year, we will be fine at that spot. The decision to flip that room and go after more athletic talent arguably saved our season. I don't think we would be anywhere close to the playoffs with the same personnel as last year. Jermod McCoy and Ricky Gibson III have developed into lockdown corners as sophmores. Hopefully they both return next year, because if they do that position group might be the strongest on the entire defense.

Halze at least has some track record and history of successful QB development at Missouri, UFC and Tennessee. I have some questions about his talent evaluation and Nico's development has been below expectations so far. Pope's background, on the other hand, as a receiver and passing coordinator is so mediocre, IDK how he even landed this job. He must have absolutely killed the analyst role in 2021. Other than Hyatt, no receive in this room has ever met or exceeded expectations. They have been a liability almost the entire season and his personnel decisions are pretty strange at times. Putting squirrel out there when he couldn't lift his arm above his shoulder, for example.

I think if you are looking for one guy on the offensive side to get rid of after this season, Pope would be my pick. If Nico hasn't improved and the offense isn't back to its usual level of performance next year, I would get rid of Halze too.
 
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BigALWiLson said:
Man I agree with Heupel but I'm not sold at all with the WR's and Pope. I think Golesh had more to do with that then Pope.
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People forget that all these receivers turned a corner and Tillman put together a really great season when Kodi Burns was our wide receiver coach. He went to the saints after the '21 season and just got fired along with Dennis Allen and 3 other assistants. I think the saints problem was all quarterback and offensive line, not receivers. Maybe we should run it back with him. Our receivers sure were a lot better when he was in the building.
 
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barney said:
I've been a vocal Martinez critic over the years, but I am actually pretty pleased with his unit this year. Really their only bad pass defense games were Arkansas and Georgia and I mainly fault the safeties and linebackers in both of those contests, not the corners.

Martinez is never gonna be an elite DB coach but if he can continue to recruit his position group as well as he has over the last year, we will be fine at that spot. The decision to flip that room and go after more athletic talent arguably saved our season. I don't think we would be anywhere close to the playoffs with the same personnel as last year. Jermod McCoy and Ricky Gibson III have developed into lockdown corners as sophmores. Hopefully they both return next year, because if they do that position group might be the strongest on the entire defense.

Halze at least has some track record and history of successful QB development at Missouri, UFC and Tennessee. I have some questions about his talent evaluation and Nico's development has been below expectations so far. Pope's background, on the other hand, as a receiver and passing coordinator is so mediocre, IDK how he even landed this job. He must have absolutely killed the analyst role in 2021. Other than Hyatt, no receive in this room has ever met or exceeded expectations. They have been a liability almost the entire season and his personnel decisions are pretty strange at times. Putting squirrel out there when he couldn't lift his arm above his shoulder, for example.

I think if you are looking for one guy on the offensive side to get rid of after this season, Pope would be my pick. If Nico hasn't improved and the offense isn't back to its usual level of performance next year, I would get rid of Halze too.
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Are you suggesting Gibson or McCoy may transfer?
 
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OH-Vol said:
Are you suggesting Gibson or McCoy may transfer?
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I don't think you can ever rule out a transfer these days but I was more thinking it's possible McCoy could enter the draft as a sophomore but that's 100% speculation on my part
 
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The way this offense operates makes me think we have very little confidence in our downfield passing game as a whole. That starts with OL, QB and WRs. All 3 areas need to improve, its hard to blame it on just one position coach. Some of you may argue that we just tossed it all over UTEP on saturday. But against SEC competition we dont go down the field a whole lot. The only game we did was Bama.
 
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VolForLife83 said:
WRs can't get open, they drop an awful lot of passes. Some would say we have regressed since Pope took over. Last year we blamed Milton's lack of touch and did he threw too hard.

Definitely couldn't hurt to upgrade this position
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We must be watching different games bc ive seen our wrs running loose in the secondary for a good part of the season.

The coaches are not the ones who have to execute the plays.
 
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bpalmer28 said:
You’re free to have an opinion. I just think our DBs are playing extremely well this year, most of whom are 1st year players in our system, that signifies good coaching IMO
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Secondary has benefitted a ton from Dline getting home and QBs not getting time. GA exposed this a bit when we couldn’t pressure beck. I’m not saying they aren’t much improved but they are definitely getting help.
 
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aRmo said:
The way this offense operates makes me think we have very little confidence in our downfield passing game as a whole. That starts with OL, QB and WRs. All 3 areas need to improve, its hard to blame it on just one position coach. Some of you may argue that we just tossed it all over UTEP on saturday. But against SEC competition we dont go down the field a whole lot. The only game we did was Bama.
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The blocking against Georgia's front 7 was pretty terrible. They were limiting our run game with 5-6 in the box. We didn't take many deep shots because they kept us in 2 and 7 most of the night.
 
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The_topis_Rocky89 said:
He is a good recruiter however this is 2 years in a row that our WRs have not played to the level that we need them to. They do not consistently catch the ball and no longer break tackles.
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More important, is it time to enact poster purge actions? Coach does not need your help. He’s got this.
 
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GordonC said:
We must be watching different games bc ive seen our wrs running loose in the secondary for a good part of the season.

The coaches are not the ones who have to execute the plays.
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Must be because they get bottled up pretty easy against better comp. Every game will/ should have a guy break loose due to busted coverage.

They have looked better as the year went on, but still an awful lot of drops, both in space and contested. And wtf happened to Squirrel? The guy refuses to stay on his feet this year. He body catches and hits the ground immediately with every pass.

WR were dogs before Pope took over, that's all im saying.
 
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