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Tough one. Still struggles to score against a zone, still too many turnovers.

Did not like that her first instinct was to blame the players. That started her last season at UT. We heard “the coaches can’t do it for them” plenty of times. Seems more like her teams just aren’t as prepared as she seems to think they are.

Really thought she’d have gone back to the drawing board a little bit after some time off to think on things. Fully understand they are undermanned this season and there wasn’t too much she could control with that. But they still shouldn’t be getting beat by 20 on their home floor and giving up 100 points.
 
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Did not like that her first instinct was to blame the players. That started her last season at UT. We heard “the coaches can’t do it for them” plenty of times. Seems more like her teams just aren’t as prepared as she seems to think they are.
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I remember last season many were critical of CKC for blaming the players (even though one of her recruiting features is letting the girls play free without constant direction from the bench).

If you hang around educators who've been teaching for 10 years or longer, they talk about numerous ways recent classes are increasingly different from previous norms. Beyond the setbacks from COVID year isolation, the amount of students' lifetime spent interacting with a screen seems to be rewiring brains in ways that show up in behavior, sociality, learning, articulation, etc., etc.

So I've been wondering for several years now what differences coaches are encountering, and how they are addressing (or accommodating) them.

For example (and, albeit from a limited sampling) I'm hearing coaches more than I've ever heard before say of their players that "they do it right in practice, but they didn't in the game tonight." I wonder... are coaches "blaming the players" out of frustration, because the players have more ownership of their play, or even because they're getting paid now and so there's a new level of professionalism being expected of players?

To y'all who watch a lot of games or hear a lot of coaches, does it seem to you like coaches blaming the players is trending upward lately?
 
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I remember last season many were critical of CKC for blaming the players (even though one of her recruiting features is letting the girls play free without constant direction from the bench).

If you hang around educators who've been teaching for 10 years or longer, they talk about numerous ways recent classes are increasingly different from previous norms. Beyond the setbacks from COVID year isolation, the amount of students' lifetime spent interacting with a screen seems to be rewiring brains in ways that show up in behavior, sociality, learning, articulation, etc., etc.

So I've been wondering for several years now what differences coaches are encountering, and how they are addressing (or accommodating) them.

For example (and, albeit from a limited sampling) I'm hearing coaches more than I've ever heard before say of their players that "they do it right in practice, but they didn't in the game tonight." I wonder... are coaches are "blaming the players" out of frustration, because the players have more ownership of their play, or even because they're getting paid now and so there's a new level of professionalism being expected of players?

To y'all who watch a lot of games or hear a lot of coaches, does it seem to you like coaches blaming the players is trending upward lately?
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I do not remember Kim blaming the players last season. Maybe one time after the UGA loss and for good reason. The team just did not show up at all that day.

I find it’s still rather uncommon for quality coaches to put the loss solely on the players. Usually when a coach is blaming their team it’s not a good sign.
 
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If you hang around educators who've been teaching for 10 years or longer, they talk about numerous ways recent classes are increasingly different from previous norms. Beyond the setbacks from COVID year isolation, the amount of students' lifetime spent interacting with a screen seems to be rewiring brains in ways that show up in behavior, sociality, learning, articulation, etc., etc.

So I've been wondering for several years now what differences coaches are encountering, and how they are addressing (or accommodating) them.
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100% agree. It's more than just anecdotal evidence from educators. The research is pointing to the same thing. See the summaries and commentary by Jonathan Haidt as one source.

Do more of them have trouble bouncing back from poor performances? Do they tend to blame themselves or others, which can lead to long-term drops in performance, or are they able to recognize circumstantial components, the natural highs and lows of performance, etc.

When high performing athletes and coaches explain adverse events, they often sound like they are making excuses. Bobby Cox, Long time and hyper successful manager of the Atlanta Braves, was famous for this, and it drove fans wild that he wouldn't call players out. Instead, he would say things like, "the ball carried." And yet, lots and lots of players had some of their best years in the pros under Bobby's leadership. Of course, when such players and coaches look to improving future performance, they almost always feel that it is within their power, through training, practice, techniques, and strategy, to improve their outcomes.Research suggests that thesee explanatory tendencies are very much connected to performance in many areas of life, from performance, to relationships, to health.

I'm more interested in how coaches are seeing these changes show up in elite athletes than in whether or not it is leading to more blaming of athletes by coaches. I think the latter might be just a short-term response format, whereas the actual changes are significantly more important and long-term.
 
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100% agree. It's more than just anecdotal evidence from educators. The research is pointing to the same thing. See the summaries and commentary by Jonathan Haidt as one source.

Do more of them have trouble bouncing back from poor performances? Do they tend to blame themselves or others, which can lead to long-term drops in performance, or are they able to recognize circumstantial components, the natural highs and lows of performance, etc.

When high performing athletes and coaches explain adverse events, they often sound like they are making excuses. Bobby Cox, Long time and hyper successful manager of the Atlanta Braves, was famous for this, and it drove fans wild that he wouldn't call players out. Instead, he would say things like, "the ball carried." And yet, lots and lots of players had some of their best years in the pros under Bobby's leadership. Of course, when such players and coaches look to improving future performance, they almost always feel that it is within their power, through training, practice, techniques, and strategy, to improve their outcomes.Research suggests that thesee explanatory tendencies are very much connected to performance in many areas of life, from performance, to relationships, to health.

I'm more interested in how coaches are seeing these changes show up in elite athletes than in whether or not it is leading to more blaming of athletes by coaches. I think the latter might be just a short-term response format, whereas the actual changes are significantly more important and long-term.
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Cox and athletes of his day were applying the research done by Seligman on Learned Optimism. But that was based on how the individual interpreted reality.

I think Haidt would contend that screen technology rewires the brain to a different set of expectations than is found in reality, and increases atrophy in our ability to generate positive thinking when we encounter the gap between.

I'm waiting for a Tennessee coach (in any sport) to ask for volunteers to participate in an experiment, where part of the team dramatically decreases and schedules their screen time, and also takes a total fast from video games, to see how it effects their performance.
 
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Cox and athletes of his day were applying the research done by Seligman on Learned Optimism. But that was based on how the individual interpreted reality.

I think Haidt would contend that screen technology rewires the brain to a different set of expectations
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Yes, I was pulling on Marty's work. I'd say Bobby Cox was "living" rather than "applying" Marty's "learned optimism" a/k/a "positive explanatory style." Marty's book was published in1990, and I first encountered Bobby Cox when watching the Braves breakthrough season of 1991, so I doubt Bobby had read the book and made much of a change in his style. Rather, Marty's work was based on observation, and I suspect Bobby was in the portion of the population with a very strong natural positive explanatory style. That is, he saw the causes of adverse events as due to external factors, short-term, and not carrying forward into the future. These folks are wonderful to work for and be around.
 
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I do not remember Kim blaming the players last season. Maybe one time after the UGA loss and for good reason. The team just did not show up at all that day.

I find it’s still rather uncommon for quality coaches to put the loss solely on the players. Usually when a coach is blaming their team it’s not a good sign.
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And Kim ultimately blamed herself rightly or wrongly for the loss by stating after the season that she thought the late regular season swoon was due to burning the team with too much conditioning work earlier in the season. She seems to really believe this as she mentioned how preseason practices this year were not as intense due to this concern.
 
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She seems to really believe this as she mentioned how preseason practices this year were not as intense due to this concern.
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I've never understood this. How does running in July make you tired in February? On the other hand, she has also said she didn't really learn about last year's team, and they didn't learn about themselves, until they got into conference play. They put it together for UCONN, fell apart for a bit, then came back together to play well in the tournament. It makes more sense to me that the strain of thinking they had the system, finding out they didn't, working it out, then relaxing a little too much (or just being mentally tired from learning during SEC play), accounted for the ill-timed conference swoon. If, as CKC has said she is learning about them and they are learning the system earlier this year, then hopefully they'll be ready to play to the full extent of their capabilities under Kim's system during SEC play. I believe last year's team out-performed expectations, but I'd sure like to see a better than middle-of-the-pack finish in 2026!
 
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I've never understood this. How does running in July make you tired in February? On the other hand, she has also said she didn't really learn about last year's team, and they didn't learn about themselves, until they got into conference play. They put it together for UCONN, fell apart for a bit, then came back together to play well in the tournament. It makes more sense to me that the strain of thinking they had the system, finding out they didn't, working it out, then relaxing a little too much (or just being mentally tired from learning during SEC play), accounted for the ill-timed conference swoon. If, as CKC has said she is learning about them and they are learning the system earlier this year, then hopefully they'll be ready to play to the full extent of their capabilities under Kim's system during SEC play. I believe last year's team out-performed expectations, but I'd sure like to see a better than middle-of-the-pack finish in 2026!
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It’s not hard to understand if you’ve ever been an athlete. There is definitely a cumulative effect and you can put too much wear and tear on a body without sufficient rest.

More is not always better
 
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It’s not hard to understand if you’ve ever been an athlete. There is definitely a cumulative effect and you can put too much wear and tear on a body without sufficient rest.
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Makes sense. I guess I was thinking they get a break between summer and fall. I generally trust CKC to know what she is doing. Should have followed that here!
 
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I’m curious too. All eyes on that handshake line. I wonder what, if any, relationship she and Kim have.

The one time they were on the same set at the SEC tourney felt awkward as all get out.
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Only awkward for those looking for it. They were fine.

They're both class acts. It will be 100 percent cordial and professional.
 
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Not surprised Hooker was looking for it. He’s very much that guy.
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That was a terrible clip. All about Hooker actually. I recall watching it live. I’ll stand by my opinion that it was an awkward moment for both Kellie and Kim. I’ll grant you there is probably an element of cognitive dissonance involved.
 
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Is Kellie coaching this year?
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Washington state had overseas player who is sixteen turning 17 next. Month.
Kelly's player from Hungary Who join the late visa getting here. Is getting better fitted with the team.
They Missouri shot three well.
Speaking of players from across the pond
getting ready to watch her former Spanish girl
TCU women's basketball ESPN plus vs UT Rio grande
 
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Washington state had overseas player who is sixteen turning 17 next. Month.
Kelly's player from Hungary Who join the late visa getting here. Is getting better fitted with the team.
They Missouri shot three well.
Speaking of players from across the pond
getting ready to watch her former Spanish girl
TCU women's basketball ESPN plus vs UT Rio grande
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Right 5 eastern
Marta hit two three first points of game
 
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