K-Mac and Tuttle key to victory against OU

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VOLorNuttin

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Janzek and Coach Strip both repeatedly expressed concern LAST YEAR, that our DT's were undersized. Nothing has changed in that regard, when we start Obrien and Williams ahead of Tuttle and Khalil McKenzie. Yes, I know they are true freshmen, but they are nonetheless, the best DT's we have on the roster

This is also why I was hoping the staff would keep Mosley on the DL, if they had no plans to start him on the OL. We had very little push up front, on Saturday, and that allowed Johnson to step up in the pocket time after time, after time, and deliver a strike downfield.

Owen Williams and Obrien are average DT's in the SEC, at best. They are probably little or no better than some of the DT's Bowling Green sees in their own conference. I'm afraid....like holding Dobbs out for most of the season hurt last year....keeping Tuttle and K-Mac out of a regular 2 deep rotation is going to prove to be a critical mistake.

Having said that, I wondered well before the opening game, whether or not Butch might choose to hide his "secret weapon" on defense, to let loose on OU...so they have little to no film to game plan against him (K-Mac).

Anybody else wonder the same? After all, the Bowling Green game was effectively a preseason game. Why show your best hand too early, right? I hope that is what is going on, cause we NEED K-Mac and Tuttle to play a LOT in order to collapse the pocket up the middle and stiffen the line against the run.

Barnett and Maggit will have a tough time, again, hitting their mark if the big freshmen don't play.
 
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Well if CBJ was trying to "hide his secret weapon" you just blew that all to hell by posting it on a public forum.

That being said, there IS no hiding Kmac and Shy. They've been all over the media during camp.
 
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Kmac isnt ready. Conditioning is supposedly an issue there. so while talented, you cant really expect the staff to throw him out there too much if hes getting winded after a few snaps.
 
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Wait is this the prolific thread starter that never comes back ? Or the one that stays to defend his position ? There are like 3 posters sorta the same , and I forget the handles .
 
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I've been wondering if the staff has been playing some head games with both Shy and KMac. Making them feel like they are earning everything they get, these two guys are going to play a lot this year maybe more than starters. I expect to see them both a lot beginning this Saturday, but making a massive impact at Gainesville. I think that's when they will really show up and show out.
 
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Both buys are super talented but it's pretty far fetched to say they are the best DT's on the roster at this moment in time. Both have the most potential by far but not the best at this moment.

2 years from now we will have 2 stud all SEC DT's and I think people confuse that with the present time.
 
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God this is getting old. Do you honestly think you know more about the team than Butch Jones?
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Owen Williams and Obrien are average DT's in the SEC, at best. They are probably little or no better than some of the DT's Bowling Green sees in their own conference. I'm afraid....like holding Dobbs out for most of the season hurt last year....keeping Tuttle and K-Mac out of a regular 2 deep rotation is going to prove to be a critical mistake.

Having said that, I wondered well before the opening game, whether or not Butch might choose to hide his "secret weapon" on defense, to let loose on OU...so they have little to no film to game plan against him (K-Mac).
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Since McKenzie missed most of the final two weeks of fall camp after a concussion and was still limited last week, I seriously doubt he was being held out as a "secret weapon." I would be surprised to see him play meaningful snaps on Saturday.
 
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K-Mac has only been on campus since June and did not play a single snap his senior year of high school. Bottom line is that he is probably not yet in peak "football" shape. And BG was a bad fit because of their tempo and the fact that subbing is difficult. Not to mention the 90+ degree heat.

IIRC Tuttle got a pretty good number of reps. I anticipate that they will continue to get more opportunities as the season goes along.
 
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mscelinaVol said:
Well if CBJ was trying to "hide his secret weapon" you just blew that all to hell by posting it on a public forum.

That being said, there IS no hiding Kmac and Shy. They've been all over the media during camp.
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I meant in the sense that if they played a lot and had a major impact in the BG game, then OU would game-plan and prepare for them.

I just don't have ANY confidence in Obrien and Williams getting it done against OU
 
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Its pretty simple. If Kmac and Shy are good enough to play they will. Hiding secret weapons, holding back the offense, being vanilla etc and so on, whats up with all of this stuff? This is big boy football and no coach in their right mind would do any of that. You can get beat on any given Saturday in college football, its proven time and again. You play the players that give you the best chance to win.

Our defense played a bad game. Plain and simple and all these off the wall excuses and do you thinks are getting ridiculous.

No I don't think he was hiding them, I simply think he doesn't believe they are ready. When they are they will get more snaps. Or it could simply be that kmac is still nursing injuries. They have their reasons. But hiding them? No.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
Its pretty simple. If Kmac and Shy are good enough to play they will. Hiding secret weapons, holding back the offense, being vanilla etc and so on, whats up with all of this stuff? This is big boy football and no coach in their right mind would do any of that. You can get beat on any given Saturday in college football, its proven time and again. You play the players that give you the best chance to win.

Our defense played a bad game. Plain and simple and all these off the wall excuses and do you thinks are getting ridiculous.

No I don't think he was hiding them, I simply think he doesn't believe they are ready. When they are they will get more snaps. Or it could simply be that kmac is still nursing injuries. They have their reasons. But hiding them? No.
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Excellent post 👍
 
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I'm with you, OP. Even the experts have been picking KMac for their "ultimate D-line" or whatever. I think Butch makes the Worley Mistake if he doesn't play them against OU.
 
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I'm going to get flamed here but the OP has every single right to question Butch after he literally cost us two wins last year by choosing experience but lesser talent in Justin Worely over Dobbs early on.

Some coaches just like Fulmer stubbornly stick with experience over talent. That doesnt always mean its the right decision though.

If Kmac is so out of shape that he gets gassed after two plays then he has never played football before.... No way he's in that bad of shape.

If his hype is real, he should be good enough to contribute early like Barnett and Sutton did as freshman.

I'd also like to see Kirkland out there more over Colton Jumper.

I'm not trash talking Butch, but he did in fact prove to make a mistake last year with starting Dobbs so late when we really needed early on. No coach is above questioning as they are human and make mistakes like everyone else.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
Its pretty simple. If Kmac and Shy are good enough to play they will. Hiding secret weapons, holding back the offense, being vanilla etc and so on, whats up with all of this stuff? This is big boy football and no coach in their right mind would do any of that. You can get beat on any given Saturday in college football, its proven time and again. You play the players that give you the best chance to win.

Our defense played a bad game. Plain and simple and all these off the wall excuses and do you thinks are getting ridiculous.

No I don't think he was hiding them, I simply think he doesn't believe they are ready. When they are they will get more snaps. Or it could simply be that kmac is still nursing injuries. They have their reasons. But hiding them? No.
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NFL teams are pretty vanilla in preseason games...on purpose. In college, the first game or two are typically = preseason game. If you have arguably the biggest game of the season, in your 2nd game, why would you show all your cards in what amounts to a preseason game?

Whether or not KMac and Tuttle played very little because they are freshmen, or because the staff wanted to keep their powder dry, in preparation for the OU game, we'll have to see. Regardless, I honestly believe they are the key to whether or not we beat the Sooners.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
Its pretty simple. If Kmac and Shy are good enough to play they will. Hiding secret weapons, holding back the offense, being vanilla etc and so on, whats up with all of this stuff? This is big boy football and no coach in their right mind would do any of that. You can get beat on any given Saturday in college football, its proven time and again. You play the players that give you the best chance to win.

Our defense played a bad game. Plain and simple and all these off the wall excuses and do you thinks are getting ridiculous.

No I don't think he was hiding them, I simply think he doesn't believe they are ready. When they are they will get more snaps. Or it could simply be that kmac is still nursing injuries. They have their reasons. But hiding them? No.
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He also didn't believe Dobbs was ready and had Worley not gotten hurt midway through the season, we'd have been sitting home on New Years Day.
 
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The key to the Oklahoma game is Corner, Linebacker, and Safety play. You can bet that the Air Raid is going right after Mosely every time the Strong Safety cheats inside of the hash to help pick up the run. And if linebackers can't cover the end on pass, or they get a one on one with the saftey on slot, it's going to be a long night.
 
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