Judge rules current athletes can join suit against NCAA

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99gator said:
Could not disagree with your premise more
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I look at it like this...if what an athlete (no matter what the label...pro or amateur) does, makes you big money, they should get a share of it, or at least receive wages commensurate with those earnings.

If your program doesn't make any money, then the athlete doesn't make any. Real simple. But trying to equate a scholarship with proper wages is like an employer trying to milk the earnings an intern brings them by claiming that they were being compensated with learning experience and lunch being provided. :loco:

If an intern is making a company good money, they deserve fair compensation. Internships (similar to what college athletes are, in one sense) are not to be misused by an employer to supplement their workforce with free labor. There are federal labor laws against such behavior, and most state labor laws have similar prohibitions. Doesn't mean it's not widespread.

So, that's what the NCAA and the conferences are doing...milking their cashcow interns...and trying to justify why those interns should receive any of those big earnings. Let's face it...College Football is bigger than the NFL. How in the hell the NCAA thinks they are going to come out of this on the winning side, is beyond me.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
I look at it like this...if what an athlete (no matter what the label...pro or amateur) does, makes you big money, they should get a share of it, or at least receive wages commensurate with those earnings.

If your program doesn't make any money, then the athlete doesn't make any. Real simple. But trying to equate a scholarship with proper wages is like an employer trying to milk the earnings an intern brings them by claiming that they were being compensated with learning experience and lunch being provided. :loco:

If an intern is making a company good money, they deserve fair compensation. Internships (similar to what college athletes are, in one sense) are not to be misused by an employer to supplement their workforce with free labor. There are federal labor laws against such behavior, and most state labor laws have similar prohibitions. Doesn't mean it's not widespread.

So, that's what the NCAA and the conferences are doing...milking their cashcow interns.
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I will post a lengthy response to this later in the day
 
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One of the last bastions of indenture servitude is headed to court.:popcorn: I might watch Court TV (or whatever it called now) for this one.

..."During the indenture period the servants were not paid wages, but were provided with food, accommodation, clothing and training"...
 
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99gator said:
I will post a lengthy response to this later in the day
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Doesn't matter. Most kids don't give a flip about scholarships. They are trying to make it to the league. In that sense, they are essentially interns. Federal law stipulates clearly that "the employer can receive no immediate benefit" from an UNPAID intern.

These kids don't have a pot to piss in, outside of their school, board and meals. How would you like it if your employer suddenly stated that they were restricting your pay to room and board only?
 
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VegasBaby! said:
One of the last bastions of indenture servitude is headed to court.:popcorn: I might watch Court TV (or whatever it called now) for this one.

..."During the indenture period the servants were not paid wages, but were provided with food, accommodation, clothing and training"...
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Exactly. I never thought they would allow gays to openly serve in the military or females to serve in combat. Two things I am furious about, but if that can happen...then the NCAA is about to enter the chit storm. Bout dang time.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
I look at it like this...if what an athlete (no matter what the label...pro or amateur) does, makes you big money, they should get a share of it, or at least receive wages commensurate with those earnings.

If your program doesn't make any money, then the athlete doesn't make any. Real simple. But trying to equate a scholarship with proper wages is like an employer trying to milk the earnings an intern brings them by claiming that they were being compensated with learning experience and lunch being provided. :loco:

If an intern is making a company good money, they deserve fair compensation. Internships (similar to what college athletes are, in one sense) are not to be misused by an employer to supplement their workforce with free labor. There are federal labor laws against such behavior, and most state labor laws have similar prohibitions. Doesn't mean it's not widespread.

So, that's what the NCAA and the conferences are doing...milking their cashcow interns...and trying to justify why those interns should receive any of those big earnings. Let's face it...College Football is bigger than the NFL. How in the hell the NCAA thinks they are going to come out of this on the winning side, is beyond me.
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Once an intern receives "fair compensation" they cease to be an intern. There is so much wrong with your argument that I don't know where to begin.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Chit fixin' to get real, with the NCAA trying to hoard all the TV revenues, hiding behind the "Amateur Athletics" facade, while raking in billions of dollars and keep the athletes who generate it all, from getting their cut of the pie.

Judge rules NCAA athletes can legally pursue television money - ESPN

I hope the NCAA get's raked across the coals when it all comes down.
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Really? And then what? Then all the other sports come after your share. The men and women's volley ball teams and such. You can't give more money to the football players than the softball players. Does the QB get more money. It would be a complete disaster. UT is already in debt, could you imagine if we had to pay our athletes more than a scholarship.
People need to look at the big picture.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Doesn't matter. Most kids don't give a flip about scholarships. They are trying to make it to the league. In that sense, they are essentially interns. Federal law stipulates clearly that "the employer can receive no immediate benefit" from an UNPAID intern.

These kids don't have a pot to piss in, outside of their school, board and meals. How would you like it if your employer suddenly stated that they were restricting your pay to room and board only?
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I will nuke all of this in due time
 
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i do not think they should get a dime.they go to school free .but i also think that the pro players make way to much money.it has gotten way out of hand.when the players got more money the ticket prices went up the food and drinks at game are atrocious.it has got to the point that an average fan can not afford to go to games.i have saw the dolphins play at the titans 2 times and at Carolina and at Atlanta.it cost me well over 300 dollars for each game not counting the gas to drive from an hour north of k town to each city.beer was 5 or 6 dollars a cup.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Doesn't matter. Most kids don't give a flip about scholarships. They are trying to make it to the league. In that sense, they are essentially interns. Federal law stipulates clearly that "the employer can receive no immediate benefit" from an UNPAID intern.

These kids don't have a pot to piss in, outside of their school, board and meals. How would you like it if your employer suddenly stated that they were restricting your pay to room and board only?
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Yes, but unpaid interns can quit and go intern for anyone else without being require to be fully released and/or sit out a year. The freedom of movement or the lack thereof is a fundamental difference.

The current NCAA system is indentured servitude, not internships.
 
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If this happens then the best athletes goes to the highest bidder just like baseball..

The positive would be bama n the barn wouldn't be the only schools paying the players.

Bad move imo
 
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personally I can see both sides of the coin on this issue

one side says you get free scholarship and the dumpster fire it would cause

other side says I am flat broke while people are raking in the millions watching my butt get blasted week in and week out risking my future NFL career

Chris Webber once said I can't afford to get a pizza while companies are making a fortune off of Michigan gear & TV revenue.
 
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Wait until the athletes start getting audited by the IRS for "income". The goods will be costed at the going retail price. This is a disaster waiting to happen. Throw in the demands for equal stuff for women and men's minor sports the unintended consequences are terrible. Be careful what you wish for.
 
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strongtower said:
personally I can see both sides of the coin on this issue

one side says you get free scholarship and the dumpster fire it would cause

other side says I am flat broke while people are raking in the millions watching my butt get blasted week in and week out risking my future NFL career

Chris Webber once said I can't afford to get a pizza while companies are making a fortune off of Michigan gear & TV revenue.
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Chris Webber was full of crap. He got a lot more than a pizza.
 
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volfan414life said:
. . .but i also think that the pro players make way to much money. . .
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So you think the owners would cut prices if they paid the players less? They wouldn't.

The prices of tickets, along with the moneys paid for television rights, merchandising, etc. are all driven by the free market. The revenue stream of the industry is what it is without regard to what the players make. It's capitalism 101.

This is the reason the players make what they make. It's not the other way around. They are competing as well for their share of that pie.
 
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fade route said:
Once an intern receives "fair compensation" they cease to be an intern. There is so much wrong with your argument that I don't know where to begin.
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I agree with you, fade. Your point is correct.

I will take a little further. These kids are signing contracts and inside that contract is a statement that says you will abide by all the rules and another statement says that in return, you will receive full or partial scholarship in order for your schooling and living expenses are taken care of. In return, all you have to do is stay on the team and don't get in trouble. THus, the university is investing in that kid's future.

Now, what if that kid uses the exposure given to him for free to gain noteriety and gets drafted and signs a big contract? IS the university, the one that gave him the opportunity, allowed a percentage?

Crazy point, but each needs the other. And if it's for a scholarship in return for the opportunity to make it in the NFL, I think it is fair.

Also, the unversities are technically not for profit, right? So, really all the kid is doing is working for not for profit institution. You want a % of our profits? Ok, take whatever percentage of nothing you want.

I think paying players is stupid on all amateur levels.

Next thing is high schools will be paying the players.

Still a good idea?
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Doesn't matter. Most kids don't give a flip about scholarships. They are trying to make it to the league. In that sense, they are essentially interns. Federal law stipulates clearly that "the employer can receive no immediate benefit" from an UNPAID intern.

These kids don't have a pot to piss in, outside of their school, board and meals. How would you like it if your employer suddenly stated that they were restricting your pay to room and board only?
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Hmm..free food and living quarters, access to state of the art fitness equipment, free education AND a chance to play college football..yeah I'd take that in heartbeat if my employer offered it....What else do you need? Car? Nope. Fancy sneakers/hat/jeans/gold chains? Nope.

Paying athletes a salary is what separates the excitement of college football from the doldrums of football otherwise known as the NFL. The excitement of college football is derived from the fact the kids are playing with a passion that comes from either a love of the game or the small chance of playing at the next level (or a combination of both). If I wanted to watch a bunch of overpaid mental midgets with terrible financial acumen I'd be all over the NFL. <--And that's just my opinion..but I did pay for college myself, didn't grow up poor or in a ghetto, nor did my parents suggest career paths such as professional athlete, rapper, or entrepreneurial clothing store operator..so I might not be the leading authority on this subject.
 
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