Josh Briscoe...

#176
#176
kev20 said:
I played sports in high school and if my team was losing and someone on the sidelines was laughing it up for any reason, our coaches and some of our players would have done the exact same thing Stephens did. Why do you feel the need to coddle players?
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This is what our 2009 class of seniors now saw from our seniors in 2005 when we also had a lack of leadership and respect for the coaches. They saw this from them and thought it was ok to be like that but I think once we weave out these seniors this year such as Briscoe, Rogers, Taylor, Foster, etc.. it will be a totally different team as far as attitude on the field and doing whatever it takes to win.. these seniors we have now say they want to win but they dont really give a crap about the University of Tennessee, theyre just a bunch of no names who Fulmer made a mistake in recruiting
 
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getyopopcornready said:
This is what our 2009 class of seniors now saw from our seniors in 2005 when we also had a lack of leadership and respect for the coaches. They saw this from them and thought it was ok to be like that but I think once we weave out these seniors this year such as Briscoe, Rogers, Taylor, Foster, etc.. it will be a totally different team as far as attitude on the field and doing whatever it takes to win.. these seniors we have now say they want to win but they dont really give a crap about the University of Tennessee, theyre just a bunch of no names who Fulmer made a mistake in recruiting
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Haha. Keep this stuff coming. Its great material. Laughing up a storm over here.
 
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#179
therickbol said:
Oh, now its the WRs fault when the QB overthrows him. Sorry, didnt get that memo. He was running faster than the DB covering him so I think he was running fast enough to get the job done. That play was the QBs fault. Sorry.
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A deep ball is overthrown when your 10 yards over thrown within two to five yards you have to be able to make up some yards with an extra gear. He just doesn't have it face it.
 
#180
#180
I dont understand what you dont get. He beat the DB by a good two steps and the QB made a bad throw. He dove and still did not get a fingertip on it. You can make the argument that he is not a good WR. I am not making that statement one way or another. But using that play as an example and saying D. Moore would have caught it is just a ridiculous argument.
 
#181
#181
Lurker said:
Amen! :clapping:

Josh Briscoe has always been an asset to this team and his immortalized ESPN moment (by my count less than three seconds taken out of context and blown up into full scapegoat glory) is no where even close to the reason for this disaster of a season. There isn't one experienced football player on the face of the earth who hasn't come up short on a first down mark---not one who has ever played the game at a high level. To say Briscoe wasn't trying because he used humor as an escape from the oppressive nightmare of this season is sophomoric BS uttered by "fans"---I prefer the term "observers"--- who most likely never played at a competitive level and who are legends in their own, very serious, pee wee football stud minds.

Get a life and get off this kid's back. Sheesh, what a sad thread. :mad:
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I wouldn't be so quick to judge the athletic careers of some here.
 
#182
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therickbol said:
I dont understand what you dont get. He beat the DB by a good two steps and the QB made a bad throw. He dove and still did not get a fingertip on it. You can make the argument that he is not a good WR. I am not making that statement one way or another. But using that play as an example and saying D. Moore would have caught it is just a ridiculous argument.
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He would have he has the speed to go get a deep ball that is layed up for you to run under it.
 
#184
#184
kev, I think you missed my point. I'm not trying to "coddle" anyone. I am suggesting two things.

First, a quick ESPN camera focus that lasted just a few seconds does not prove to me that Josh Briscoe didn't care about the play, the game or the team. I think this thread takes an out of context visual moment and tries to generalize from it to a conclusion that Briscoe doesn't care. He, somehow, has become this thread's posterchild for all that is wrong with the Vols. That's making a guy that has generally been a fair to good player into a scapegoat and I just don't like it.

Second, I've played as well as coached and observed athletes at a lot of different levels, from little league on up. A little humor has sometimes---not always, but sometimes---been exactly what the doctor ordered to move both individuals and teams in the right direction. Every athlete is different and every team is different. No one formula works all the time and I reject that stoic head banging and grim faces are the only road to winning. Unfortunately, I think a lot of coaches--particularly football coaches---think the appearance of seriousness is the only way, probably because that's all they ever learned. Appearances can be deceiving.

Of course, disipline is necessary and of course serious focus can often help. I just don't think the formula is always set in stone. More important, I don't think this particular player deserves to be made into a scapegoat. Remember, we had a very serious-faced, proper platitude uttering, former QB who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from 10 feet in a game. Were his failures due to a lack of too much serious discipline? I personally have more concern about his serious, but futile, efforts than I do with Josh Briscoe's brief and probably self-depricating humor. The logic of this thread leads to the conclusion tha maybe if Briscoe had slit his wrists---or at least tried---we would have won. Come on.
 
#185
#185
Business said:
I wouldn't be so quick to judge the athletic careers of some here.
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That was not my intention.

I am commenting on the judgmental nature of this thread based on extremely limited "evidence" of someone not caring. Appearances can be deceiving, both ways.
 
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#186
Lurker said:
That was not my intention.

I am commenting on the judgmental nature of this thread based on extremely limited "evidence" of someone not caring. Appearances can be deceiving, both ways.
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From what you said it seems like you come from a baseball background. If so, you must understand that Football and Baseball are two different animals when it comes to the subject at hand.

When you are playing a 70 game (college) to a 162 (pro) game schedule there are some times when you're slumping and you just have to drop the game for a day or two and get the passion back. You can do that.

Football is not like that. You have to be balls out from the word go. I would even debate in today's game that baseball, in college, is becoming more like that as well with the NCAA regulations with practice times and what not.

The end game is this. You get caught by the biggest sports network in the world, in the biggest game of the year, during a bad season, you should fully expect to get your ass thrown to the wolves come late Saturday night and through the week.
 
#187
#187
Lurker said:
kev, I think you missed my point. I'm not trying to "coddle" anyone. I am suggesting two things.

First, a quick ESPN camera focus that lasted just a few seconds does not prove to me that Josh Briscoe didn't care about the play, the game or the team. I think this thread takes an out of context visual moment and tries to generalize from it to a conclusion that Briscoe doesn't care. He, somehow, has become this thread's posterchild for all that is wrong with the Vols. That's making a guy that has generally been a fair to good player into a scapegoat and I just don't like it.

Second, I've played as well as coached and observed athletes at a lot of different levels, from little league on up. A little humor has sometimes---not always, but sometimes---been exactly what the doctor ordered to move both individuals and teams in the right direction. Every athlete is different and every team is different. No one formula works all the time and I reject that stoic head banging and grim faces are the only road to winning. Unfortunately, I think a lot of coaches--particularly football coaches---think the appearance of seriousness is the only way, probably because that's all they ever learned. Appearances can be deceiving.

Of course, disipline is necessary and of course serious focus can often help. I just don't think the formula is always set in stone. More important, I don't think this particular player deserves to be made into a scapegoat. Remember, we had a very serious-faced, proper platitude uttering, former QB who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from 10 feet in a game. Were his failures due to a lack of too much serious discipline? I personally have more concern about his serious, but futile, efforts than I do with Josh Briscoe's brief and probably self-depricating humor. The logic of this thread leads to the conclusion tha maybe if Briscoe had slit his wrists---or at least tried---we would have won. Come on.
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Once again, I don't believe anyone is saying that Josh Briscoe is the reason we lost the game.
 
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#189
Business said:
The end game is this. You get caught by the biggest sports network in the world, in the biggest game of the year, during a bad season, you should fully expect to get your ass thrown to the wolves come late Saturday night and through the week.
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Now, right there is something I can agree with on this thread. I am comfortable defending Briscoe's reputation, but I don't think I would have ever recommended his behavior on camera as a way to avoid the limelight of the VN.

P.S. In sports (not just football) I still believe there is room for humor, even in the face of "balls out" adversity. If commanders can use it to motivate in war, somehow there is a role for it on the field.
 
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