Jordan Rodgers on SEC Now

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There are rare instances where it is appropriate to call a subordinate out publicly. It should only occur after everything possible has been done to fix it privately. It should only occur after the leader self-assesses to see if they've failed. It should be done with the full understanding that you are as likely to lose whatever rapport and relationship you have with that person or group as repair it.

Shoop is either desperate and willing to take a chance.... or stupid. My guess is desperate.
 
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I think there is a fine line that should be walked between the two. I disagree with the way that Stoops handled this. But I also sometimes disagree with the way Butch approaches the situation as well.

You should never berate your players in public like Stoops did, but at the same time you can maybe make statements saying that, for example, "Our OL has not played up to their potential yet. They need to improve for us to achieve our goals. They know that and the coaches know that. And it's our job to help them achieve that potential."

That is fine, and honestly encouraged. Letting your players know it isn't entirely their fault but that they DO need to step up. Also, shouldering some of the blame as a coach can help as well. But Butch, on the other hand, a lot of times just refuses to acknowledge any shortcomings. I don't think this is the right approach either.
 
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bigl3327 said:
When talking about Mark Stoops of UK (who has taken over as defensive coordinator as well as being Head coach) publicly calling out his defense. Stoops said things like "they are not very tough, they are not very smart, and they need to grow up or you will see the same crap on the field." Rodgers said he would rather see a coach like this as opposed to a Butch Jones who publicly makes excuses or covers up for his players. What do you say? Would you rather have Butch or a coach who places all the blame on terrible performances squarely on the players?
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The Bear said back in the day, When we win and do well it is on the players and when we do not do well it is on me. That worked out for Alabama.
 
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Always praise publicly and correct privately. Messages of correction are always received better when face to face in a team setting. This is true in work or sports.
 
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LargeOrange1 said:
Please provide PROOF that Butch said that. You can't. All you have is the word of someone trying to cash in on a lawsuit. I bet you read the National Enquirer for all your news.
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tumscalcium said:
Unless he wins.
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Well last I checked he's won 9 in a row and he's still getting lambasted. I know, I know beat the Gators and it will all stop...until next week when they play Georgia then we'll see threads entitled "Beat the Dawgs or GTFO!!" Then same thread for A&M and Bama, etc.

The best thing CBJ and the team can do is just shut out the noise and play football. Harder now than it used to be with twitter and other social media. GBO
 
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VersaceButch said:
I think there is a fine line that should be walked between the two. I disagree with the way that Stoops handled this. But I also sometimes disagree with the way Butch approaches the situation as well.

You should never berate your players in public like Stoops did, but at the same time you can maybe make statements saying that, for example, "Our OL has not played up to their potential yet. They need to improve for us to achieve our goals. They know that and the coaches know that. And it's our job to help them achieve that potential."

That is fine, and honestly encouraged. Letting your players know it isn't entirely their fault but that they DO need to step up. Also, shouldering some of the blame as a coach can help as well. But Butch, on the other hand, a lot of times just refuses to acknowledge any shortcomings. I don't think this is the right approach either.
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I think Butch would say he's accurately stating the facts when he says on any given play we have 4 guys (speaking of the OL) doing well and one guy not getting his assignment or using bad fundamentals and the next play its someone else. So we just have to clean that up. They're looking at a lot of video of these guys and if they all just were playing terribly I think he would be more outspoken about their shortcomings. He apparently thinks they are just a little ways away from playing well as a unit and with Hall coming back he seems very encouraged about them playing much better against Florida. I hope he's correct in his assessment.
 
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1974Vol said:
I think Butch would say he's accurately stating the facts when he says on any given play we have 4 guys (speaking of the OL) doing well and one guy not getting his assignment or using bad fundamentals and the next play its someone else. So we just have to clean that up. They're looking at a lot of video of these guys and if they all just were playing terribly I think he would be more outspoken about their shortcomings. He apparently thinks they are just a little ways away from playing well as a unit and with Hall coming back he seems very encouraged about them playing much better against Florida. I hope he's correct in his assessment.
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Hopefully Hall is the solution. The right side of the line has been the worst offender. The thing is, it seems like every play there is "one guy not getting his assignment." That needs to be shored up. If one dude is getting blown by every play then that is bad. Hall was fantastic last year for us, but he is coming off injury and his first game is against a pretty vaunted UF DL. It's hard to know just what to expect from him.

If he comes out and plays like he did last year then this could be the fix. Just remains to be seen until I actually see them look cohesive.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Praise in public, correct in private.

What Stoops is doing has a name: it's called "bad leadership."

You don't hold your team together by belittling them publicly, whether you think they "can handle it" or not.
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Also called fighting for his career because nothing else has worked to keep his job
 
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That's the age old question of players' coach or harda$$. Both have their upsides as long as they are who they are and don't try to be anything else. I prefer a coach who wins.
 
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bigl3327 said:
When talking about Mark Stoops of UK (who has taken over as defensive coordinator as well as being Head coach) publicly calling out his defense. Stoops said things like "they are not very tough, they are not very smart, and they need to grow up or you will see the same crap on the field." Rodgers said he would rather see a coach like this as opposed to a Butch Jones who publicly makes excuses or covers up for his players. What do you say? Would you rather have Butch or a coach who places all the blame on terrible performances squarely on the players?
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Jordan Rogers.... The mediocre Vanderbilt qb'.. Who cares what he thinks.
 
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