Jordan Rodgers on SEC Now

[bigl3327]

When talking about Mark Stoops of UK (who has taken over as defensive coordinator as well as being Head coach) publicly calling out his defense. Stoops said things like "they are not very tough, they are not very smart, and they need to grow up or you will see the same crap on the field." Rodgers said he would rather see a coach like this as opposed to a Butch Jones who publicly makes excuses or covers up for his players. What do you say? Would you rather have Butch or a coach who places all the blame on terrible performances squarely on the players?

 

[felloffthetrain]

They're grown men, they can take the heat. I think when you, as a coach, put it out there for the rest of the country to see and hear, your team will either rally from it or roll over. I don't, however, believe a coach should be hyper critical when the team is largely successful and handling business about like they were expected to, only in a situation where you faced a much inferior opponent and lose, something along that line. I can sort of understand why CBJ guards his comments about the team. He doesn't want to negate any positives they may have learned and kill the morale of the team. But it also goes back to my first statement, if they are mature, then they should be able to handle open criticism from their coach(es).

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Praise in public, correct in private.

What Stoops is doing has a name: it's called "bad leadership."

You don't hold your team together by belittling them publicly, whether you think they "can handle it" or not.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Praise in public, correct in private.

What Stoops is doing has a name: it's called "bad leadership."

You don't hold your team together by belittling them publicly, whether you think they "can handle it" or not.

This.

Poor leadership/management is throwing people under the bus publicly.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Stoops reiterates what D.J. Eliot said, that there have been many times they have perfect call on defense, but players aren't making play.

Seriously? Its the players fault?

Don't doubt it, most of the time it is the player's fault.

Was the player not athletic or smart enough? Who recruited that player?

Did the player use poor judgement? Who instructed that player?

Did the player use poor fundamentals? Who taught that player?


Doesn't matter. If 85 guys are not performing after 4 years it all comes back to coaching.

This all day and every day...
He bought the groceries, he cleaned the vegetables and fruits; he cut the meat; he cooked the meal and set the table with his best china...and now that it looks and tastes dog**** awful, it is someone else's fault.
smh, jsmh

They could really learn a lot listening to Cal. Cal takes the blame even when it's blatantly obvious he's not at fault probably 90 percent of the time. These bums do the exact opposite and then wonder why they're losing the team year in and year out.

Spot on. Its their jobs to make sure they know how to make the plays.

Careful bpoe, don't you know it takes time to teach these things. pour some more gasoline in the dumpster. It ain't burning hot enough yet.

Apparently it now takes 5-6 years for a UK player to actually get what this staff is teaching...

It's a very complicated defense. That's what they say. So why the hell are we not simplifying it for them if they haven't gotten it by now???

Stoops said they simplified it after the Florida game. And after this past game he said they will simplify it more. How big was the playbook? 5000 pages?

If the players can't make the play then it's not the perfect call. How stupid is this???

If simplifying the defense was the cause of our players not knowing where they were supposed to be lined up, I would just assume they go back to running their complicated schemes. At least you are set and look ready to defend at that point. So far doesn't really matter either way. There is not more excited team in practice this week in all of college football than the SC offense.

Maybe DJ's defensive scheme is good but just too complicated. In this era of hurry-up offenses, there isn't a lot of time to relay in the D signals and have the players react quickly enough.

Yeah, that's gonna make the players go that extra mile for the coaches.

If you're gonna rip the players, do it on the practice field or in the locker room, not a damn press conference.

What a joke staff.

I will say it again . It's hard for me to believe that Louisvilles players are more "coachable" than ours . And it's obvious they know their scheme very well

We either have the dumbest players or the worst coaches. I'm thinking the latter. What a joke of a staff

This staff for sure lost some more players with that. This stafff sucks really hard!!

The excuse train rolls on down the tracks...

opcorn:

 

[Vfl2407]

Maybe a happy medium is needed.
Sometimes calling out a specific group is needed...
E.g...." We've got to play better and coach better on the Oline...and it's my job to make sure that happens".

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Stoops sounds like a coach falling out of a job looking for anything he can to grab onto.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Bear Bryant never won a game-his players did. His players never lost a game-he did.

That served him well over the years, cause he darn well didn't like losing.

Throwing players under the bus in some mentalities makes losing easier to accept.

That's why attitudes and program climates never change.

I remember during the NIT year Cal made a comment something like "This team doesn't have the fight to win and thats on me" You will never hear Stoops say something like that.

Complicated defense?? Never heard of such a thing. Defense isn't nearly as complicated as offense. I've said it from the beginning. They need to just line and play football. His complicated crap clearly isn't fooling anybody but his own players

You know.....
At least once I would like one of these coaches to say that basics means if a guy doesn't wrap up a guy to tackle him we are going down the roster to find someone that will.
If a receiver refuses to cross the middle on a play call or gives up, then next man up.
If a d lineman can't get into the correct stance when he is a junior then find someone that will.

I would like someone to explain why high three star and four star players know no more about how to play the game as red shirt Sophie and junior than they did as freshmen.

Bet I never get those answers.

you know who else use to say the same thing? Ron Hudson. He was Brooks first OC and was despised by the fans as being totally ineffective. That's how he explained the anemic production by the offense. He designed perfect plays, so he explained, and all those 11 idiots out there couldn't figure out how to execute them. Hudson didn't last too long.

As a coach, I can tell you one thing. These coaches are given millions of dollars to scout, recruit, coach, and prep. I WISH I could have 1/10th of the recourses these coaches in colleges are given to prepare players.

Stoops is an idiot, and if you still support him, well, figure it out.

Stoopid has nobody to blame but himself. You only have to look at Vandy under Franklin, he did more with less talent than Stoopid has now. All that tells me is Stoopid is not a very good Coach, a good Coach can coach up the players.

Trouble is.....
Franklin DID take less and make it into more. Franklin will likely win 7 games at Penn State and get fired.
If he did that three years in a row at UK he would own the state

I agree. Stoops pretty much earned a pass with so many Joker players. But that excuse can't be used anymore, almost every player except I think 5 or 6 are his. This is the first year where its basically his players, and you can argue that they have regressed. Coaching is very bad, to say the least.

These are all great questions but the more frustrating thing about their statements to me is it illustrates the coaches are still missing the point. As most of you know I'm a big believer in, "it's not what you do it's how you do it". This shows me that the coaches are still caught way too much up in assignments or alignments or reads etc etc instead of getting their players to just be aggressive reactive football players. Football is an aggressive, physical sport. It's not made to sit and think too much. The guy that 's sitting thinking is on his heels and the guy that's moving and reacting on the fly is on his toes and always the aggressor. Good athletes will make plays if they are freed up to do so.

When I was a teenager, I got a job at a department store.

The manager that hired me just literally sent me out on the floor to work and never taught me anything...

I was so shy that I wouldn't ask questions.

After about a month, the same manager took me into his office and fired me for not knowing what to do.

If I saw that dude now, I'd slap the living **** out of him!

opcorn:

 

[felloffthetrain]

At some point, you have to stop sheltering them and treating them as being special and above reproach. Sometimes, you have to call them out if they aren't getting it. Is it really your fault as a coach if you teach them how to do something and beat it into them and get them to a point where they do things automatically in practice, but when game time comes, they can't execute? I'm sure there's some blame on the coaches in the sense that maybe they aren't relating it well enough to the players, but it's also on the players to pick it up and understand it and execute.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

At some point, you have to stop sheltering them and treating them as being special and above reproach. Sometimes, you have to call them out if they aren't getting it. Is it really your fault as a coach if you teach them how to do something and beat it into them and get them to a point where they do things automatically in practice, but when game time comes, they can't execute? I'm sure there's some blame on the coaches in the sense that maybe they aren't relating it well enough to the players, but it's also on the players to pick it up and understand it and execute.

I've heard this argument before and I still don't buy it. If you have recruited 100 players over the last 4 years and you don't have the ones you need that understand and execute what you want done - it's you who recruited and supposedly trained them. Aside from the fact that all players will occasionally make a mistake here and there when it's pervasive and you can't go down the depth chart to find someone consistently better at understanding and executing your plays then that's on the coach. It's the coach's responsibility to put the best players on the field. If this is the best he's got after 4 years and 100 recruits blaming the players is the act of a complete asswipe. jmo.

Again, it is not on the players to pick up, understand it, and execute it. It's on the coach to identify which of those 100 recruits have picked up on it, understand it, and can execute it. If the answer is none then the players likely are not the problem.

 

[VolForLife83]

Praise in public, correct in private.

What Stoops is doing has a name: it's called "bad leadership."

You don't hold your team together by belittling them publicly, whether you think they "can handle it" or not.

Oh, like the Dooley guy?

 

[turdherder11]

Praise in public, correct in private.

What Stoops is doing has a name: it's called "bad leadership."

You don't hold your team together by belittling them publicly, whether you think they "can handle it" or not.

wont be surprised to see uk fall apart completely. bad move. also blaming player execution when your team wins every aspect of the game, from 3rd down conversions to the turnover margin. the only excuse butch should've gave last year after the uf loss was bad coaching.
not saying uk has won any part of any game this year. they suck

 

[Power T-Rev]

You never criticize your players in public. That's something that is done behind closed doors. That's an easy way to lose players

 

[robow]

wont be surprised to see uk fall apart completely. bad move. also blaming player execution when your team wins every aspect of the game, from 3rd down conversions to the turnover margin. the only excuse butch should've gave last year after the uf loss was bad coaching.
not saying uk has won any part of any game this year. they suck

HOW THE HELL DID i GET ON THIS KY JELLY ROLL.

 

[volfanvfl]

Praise in public, correct in private.

What Stoops is doing has a name: it's called "bad leadership."

You don't hold your team together by belittling them publicly, whether you think they "can handle it" or not.

I agree with this

 

[VonVol]

When talking about Mark Stoops of UK (who has taken over as defensive coordinator as well as being Head coach) publicly calling out his defense. Stoops said things like "they are not very tough, they are not very smart, and they need to grow up or you will see the same crap on the field." Rodgers said he would rather see a coach like this as opposed to a Butch Jones who publicly makes excuses or covers up for his players. What do you say? Would you rather have Butch or a coach who places all the blame on terrible performances squarely on the players?

In my opinion he either recruited kids that weren't very tough or smart to begin with, or they became that way under his tutelage. Either way, it's on him.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Oh, like the Dooley guy?

Yes, exactly like that guy.

Sun Tzu wrote: “Treat your men as you would your own beloved sons. And they will follow you into the deepest valley.”

2,500 years later, it's still good advice.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

When talking about Mark Stoops of UK (who has taken over as defensive coordinator as well as being Head coach) publicly calling out his defense. Stoops said things like "they are not very tough, they are not very smart, and they need to grow up or you will see the same crap on the field." Rodgers said he would rather see a coach like this as opposed to a Butch Jones who publicly makes excuses or covers up for his players. What do you say? Would you rather have Butch or a coach who places all the blame on terrible performances squarely on the players?

I prefer Butch's method to Stoops'...



...and I really don't care what some former Vandy player has to say about the Vols...



...unless he says something nice.

 

[Power T-Rev]

I prefer Butch's method to Stoops'...



...and I really don't care what some former Vandy player has to say about the Vols...



...unless he says something nice.

Jordan Rodgers is a joke. That is all

 

[Roustabout]

Stoops sounds like a coach falling out of a job looking for anything he can to grab onto.

are you kidding me? have you seen his buyout?

 

[LargeOrange1]

This.

Poor leadership/management is throwing people under the bus publicly.

Seems I recall Derek Doofus throwing players under the bus a lot. When you get to that point, you are running out of options and are probably not a very good coach.

Plus, who gives a Flying Rat's Rectum about what Jordan Rodgers thinks? He is only on the show because of who his brother is. Its not like he won the Heisman or had an NFL career! GO VOLS!!

 

[MurphyVol]

I love what coach Jones said about Pig Howard when he fumbled the ball out the back of the end zone against UGA: "He was trying to win the game, can't fault him for that"

I'm certainly not the biggest Butch Jones fan in the world but this is one thing that I really like about him. Berating players in public is very much like Dooley

 

[ftsandersvol]

Praise in public, correct in private.

What Stoops is doing has a name: it's called "bad leadership."

You don't hold your team together by belittling them publicly, whether you think they "can handle it" or not.

Exactly.

 

[Orange_Crush]

If Butch called the players out, he'd be lambasted for blaming players. if he makes excuses, he's lambasted for making excuses. With a certain segment of the population, he'll be lambasted no matter what he says or does.

 

[tumscalcium]

If Butch called the players out, he'd be lambasted for blaming players. if he makes excuses, he's lambasted for making excuses. With a certain segment of the population, he'll be lambasted no matter what he says or does.

Unless he wins.