Johnathan Crompton as QB?

[sonofajohn]

Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Dec 16, 2005 7:44 PM
Clearly you can do nothing but compare two people and not add any other variables in an argument. The receivers were not always the same and the conditions weren't always the same.

Clearly you miss the obvious again. I am not apologizing for anyone. And my argument is that you cannot write Ainge off based on this season. if that is the case you have to apply that attitude to the entire team. You just miss the whole thing don't you? Such a simple item that keeps slipping your grasp.

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The Ainge/Clausen comparison is the closest thing to a lab experiment that you can get in sports. There were barely any distinguishing variables between the two, except maybe that Clausen doesn't have near the God given ability that Ainge is blessed with. Clausen still greatly outperformed him.

 

[volmanjr]

Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 16, 2005 5:33 PM
In that case, let's bump Rick's completion percentage up to 65%, because WRs dropped balls from him too.  You can try all you want to be an apologist for Ainge, but the fact that Rick played in the same offense, with the same lineman committing the same penalties, and same WRs dropping balls, and still completing almost 15% more of his passes kind of cripples your argument.

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Most of those completions were short passes to backs coming out of the backfield, take thos away and RC's % drops way down. The whole problem stems from the QB carosel they both were on and WR's that were to afraid to get hit to try and make a play on the ball, and I'm sorry but the WR's tried harder while RC was on the feild.

 

[CSpindizzy]

Originally posted by volmanjr@Dec 16, 2005 7:04 PM
Most of those completions were short passes to backs coming out of the backfield, take thos away and RC's % drops way down. The whole problem stems from the QB carosel they both were on and WR's that were to afraid to get hit to try and make a play on the ball, and I'm sorry but the WR's tried harder while RC was on the feild.

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Don't tell him that. He'll argue all night with you about them being the same person under the same conditions, etc.

 

[sonofajohn]

Originally posted by volmanjr@Dec 16, 2005 8:04 PM
Most of those completions were short passes to backs coming out of the backfield, take thos away and RC's % drops way down. The whole problem stems from the QB carosel they both were on and WR's that were to afraid to get hit to try and make a play on the ball, and I'm sorry but the WR's tried harder while RC was on the feild.

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You can't argue that in defense of Ainge. The fact that Clausen checks down when WRs aren't open is proof that Clausen was a better QB than Ainge. Further hindering this argument is the fact that Clausen had a higher yards/attempt, yards/completion, and total yards (6.9, 12, 1441) than Ainge (5.08, 11.17, 737.)

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by volmanjr@Dec 16, 2005 8:04 PM
Most of those completions were short passes to backs coming out of the backfield, take thos away and RC's % drops way down. The whole problem stems from the QB carosel they both were on and WR's that were to afraid to get hit to try and make a play on the ball, and I'm sorry but the WR's tried harder while RC was on the feild.

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Wrong.

Clausen averaged 160.1 yds/game
Ainge averaged 92.1 yds/game.

Clausen completed 120 passes for 1441 yds
Ainge completed 66 passes for 737 yds

That comes out to 12.0 yds/catch for Clausen
That comes out to 11.2 yds/catch for Ainge

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[sonofajohn]

Originally posted by oklavol@Dec 16, 2005 8:47 PM
Wrong. 

Clausen averaged 160.1 yds/game
Ainge    averaged  92.1 yds/game.

Clausen completed 120 passes for 1441 yds
Ainge    completed  66 passes for  737  yds

That comes out to 12.0 yds/catch for Clausen
That comes out to 11.2 yds/catch for Ainge

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Careful with all those stats Oklavol. Apparently, some of the members of the board thinks that no matter what stats you present, they are just being manipulated to prove any point you want. You just have to have that gut feeling, Oklavol. You know, the one that says Ainge is better and his stats are down because the whole team is conspiring against him. Please, Oklavol, no more stats, just make peace with being completely subjective in all worldly matters.

 

[wilburnVol]

Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 16, 2005 10:21 PM
Careful with all those stats Oklavol.  Apparently, some of the members of the board thinks that no matter what stats you present, they are just being manipulated to prove any point you want.  You just have to have that gut feeling, Oklavol.  You know, the one that says Ainge is better and his stats are down because the whole team is conspiring against him.  Please, Oklavol, no more stats, just make peace with being completely subjective in all worldly matters.

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The difference between your stats, Cook(ie), and his are that his aren't from you. :wavey:

 

[OrangeEmpire]

How does that help an argument for Ainge? Basically, Clausen was smart enough to check off and not force a pass into double or triple coverage and Ainge wasn't.

bysonofajon

The statement implies Clausen was smart enough to check off to the running back if nothing was open?

Does that come from field experience, being a Senior, being in the system, Clausen is smarter, ect.?

CFN: Considering how young you are in your career, was there anything positive about being forced to sit out in your true freshman season?
EA: Absolutely. With my physical gifts, the special plays will just happen. You can't coach them, you can't plan for them, they'll just happen. But what I have to work on is not forcing the ball down the field, not forcing plays that aren't there, and sometimes taking the safer play or just throwing it away. What Rick (Clausen) is great at is seeing when something isn't there and taking what is there to make a play. He's great at seeing what the really easy play is, like throwing the ball to the running backs, and making something happen with it. I have to make sure that I can see that when it's there, and sitting out made me look for that a little bit more. I never had to look for that in high school so that was never installed in my head, so I got to learn and be more patient.
CFN: Yeah, being thrown out there like you were, you have to look back at films and go crazy at all the little things you missed.
EA: All the time. I didn't even understand all about coverages. I mean, I understood them, but not really. I kind of went out there, ran around and threw it. Now I know who's open and where I should be looking when certain coverages are there. It makes the game slow down a lot and makes things a lot easier.

Careful with all those stats Oklavol.  Apparently, some of the members of the board thinks that no matter what stats you present, they are just being manipulated to prove any point you want.  You just have to have that gut feeling, Oklavol.  You know, the one that says Ainge is better and his stats are down because the whole team is conspiring against him.  Please, Oklavol, no more stats, just make peace with being completely subjective in all worldly matters.

bysonofajon

You are being completely subjective in your analysis of Ainge and members of this board?

Right................................ :focus: :banghead:

Rick Clausen has become the Tennessee football equivalent of the chick you know you can hook up with but just can't bear to call. Whereas Erik Ainge is the chick you know you can't hook up with but keeps convincing you there's some possibility for success. :ill_h4h: