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jakez4ut

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it's a pay site, so i wont' post the article, but if you have it, he has a nice editorial regarding the Delmonico decision and how Mike Hamilton approaches making coaching decisions and how that might carry over to the football situation.

it's not too rough, but it does present the idea that if MH is not afraid to can a coach that has been with the school for 18 years, been to 3 NCAA world series, with the last one only being 2 years ago, he may be setting some precedent for making these types of decisions based on consistently winning and participating in post season activities vs. just winning % in the regular season. the difference being that there is a distinguishable difference in building a team vs. building a program.

it was also interesting that he brought up the fact that as an AAD, MH really got to be friends with Delmonico, and that he went ahead with this decision knowing that his son still has two years of eligibility left, and that this may cause a rift or damage some personal relationships....

nothing new, but i thought it shared a lot of feelings on the board and was worth mentioning.
 
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Fulmer campaigned to get Hamilton hired as AD and Hamilton knows that. Its going to be difficult for Hamilton to turn around and then fire Fulmer, even though he may have too.
 
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oklavol said:
Fulmer campaigned to get Hamilton hired as AD and Hamilton knows that. Its going to be difficult for Hamilton to turn around and then fire Fulmer, even though he may have too.
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then they both may have to go. I'd consider canning a subpar coach part and parcel to the AD function. If he can't do that, then he should be shown the exit as well.
 
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oklavol said:
Fulmer campaigned to get Hamilton hired as AD and Hamilton knows that. Its going to be difficult for Hamilton to turn around and then fire Fulmer, even though he may have too.
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dont' disagree...but i think the point of the article was that at this point, MH is building a track record of not doing the "popular" thing.

it made mention of the Buzz firing, which at the time, if you remmeber had some seriously mixed reviews. Everyone liked Buzz, he just signed two highly rated prospects, and MH canned him because he felt the program had gone stagnate...same with the baseball team....and the correlation is that many feel the same way about the football team...

time will tell, and getting rid of CPF won't be as simple as either buzz or delmonico, that's for sure.

but at this point, it's now a legitimate point of discussion based on how he's handled the other two men's programs coaching situations.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
then they both may have to go. I'd consider canning a subpar coach part and parcel to the AD function. If he can't do that, then he should be shown the exit as well.
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John Swafford at UNC would agree, which is why John Bunting is no longer there. it's apples and oranges, but there were many in the UNC family that were ready to boot Swafford if he continued to allow Bunting to coach there, as Bunting was very well liked in the community and in the administration, he just couldn't deliver the winning that many would like to see the football team get to. kind of strange really, to see a UNC AD under any sort of pressure to "fix" the football program....same kind of mindset MH probably had about the bball team.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
then they both may have to go. I'd consider canning a subpar coach part and parcel to the AD function. If he can't do that, then he should be shown the exit as well.
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I think Hamilton will make the right decision, when the time comes. I just think think releasing Fulmer will be more difficult for him then releasing Delmonico and Peterson.
 
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oklavol said:
I think Hamilton will make the right decision, when the time comes. I just think think releasing Fulmer will be more difficult for him then releasing Delmonico and Peterson.
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no doubt. but he is setting precedents for performance that at some point can't be ignored.
 
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After we win the SEC and post victories over Florida, GA and South Carolina, Hamilton will not have a decision to make..

GO VOLS....
 
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Sam speaks well but I personally enjoy the wisdom that St. Pauli's Girl brings to the table.
 
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I've always found Sir Arthur Guinness to be the most consistently knowledgeable fellow on the block.
 
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vol_in_ar said:
After we win the SEC and post victories over Florida, GA and South Carolina, Hamilton will not have a decision to make..

GO VOLS....
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if that turns out to be the case, you'd be 100% correct.

we go 9-4 or worse again, little beads of sweat will start to form on MH's forehead.
 
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see i don't think MH wants to have to make that decision. I think right now, MH is CPF's biggest fan. nothing would make MH happier for this isssue to be put to rest, TN win the SEC and the heat just go away. perfect scenario for MH is for CPF to win the SEC, and pick up where we left off in 01 as a top 10 program year in and year out. CPF retire on his own, and MH go hire who he wants.

he does not want to fire CPF....i would bet on it. But don't think that means he won't do it.

i think that if push comes to shove, and there are no signs of improvment and GA, FL, LSU, Auburn, Bama, SC etc...all continue to get better, he eventually will have no choice.
 
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"The answer to all of your questions is money." In the absence of another losing season, Hamilton presumably won't "encourage" Fulmer to retire until his own hand is forced by the guys with money. The question may come down to how many 8-4 seasons the influential donors are willing to tolerate.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
"The answer to all of your questions is money." In the absence of another losing season, Hamilton presumably won't "encourage" Fulmer to retire until his own hand is forced by the guys with money. The question may come down to how many 8-4 seasons the influential donors are willing to tolerate.
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my guess would be that the folks with the money will determine they are not getting the requisite ROI they used to, and this eventually will be treated as any other financial decision.

the more i think about this upcoming season, i just don't think 9-4 is going to cut it, espeically when all of your rivals appear to be outdoing you along the way.
 
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I think it depends on who we beat if it's 9-4.

if were 9-4 and beat Fl, GA, and SC, then he stays
 
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vol_in_ar said:
I think it depends on who we beat if it's 9-4.

if were 9-4 and beat Fl, GA, and SC, then he stays
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if we go 9-4 and beat the teams you mention then that means we would have had to lose to the likes of Bama, Cal, Ark and USM/Vandy/KY/ULL/MSU....or the bowl game.

in neither scenario does CPF come out smelling like a rose.

if you're good enough to beat FL, GA and SC, then by all rights you should be good enough to be in ATL.

losing 4 games after beating those afformentioned teams may do more harm than good in reality.
 
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I am as uncertain about this season as any before. But my gut tells me bad things are ahead. An offense that could not run the ball last year teamed with all new wide receivers. Also, a defense that had as sucky of a pass rush as I can remember in recent history, although I do expect better things from that area. Offense, not so confident about.
 
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allvol123 said:
I am as uncertain about this season as any before. But my gut tells me bad things are ahead. An offense that could not run the ball last year teamed with all new wide receivers. Also, a defense that had as sucky of a pass rush as I can remember in recent history, although I do expect better things from that area. Offense, not so confident about.
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well, there's certainly reason to think that way, but the running gmae should actually be better this year.

the d line and o line just cannot be worse than last year. they will get better. how much better?? eh...we'll see.
 
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jakez4ut said:
see i don't think MH wants to have to make that decision. I think right now, MH is CPF's biggest fan. nothing would make MH happier for this isssue to be put to rest, TN win the SEC and the heat just go away. perfect scenario for MH is for CPF to win the SEC, and pick up where we left off in 01 as a top 10 program year in and year out. CPF retire on his own, and MH go hire who he wants.

he does not want to fire CPF....i would bet on it. But don't think that means he won't do it.

i think that if push comes to shove, and there are no signs of improvment and GA, FL, LSU, Auburn, Bama, SC etc...all continue to get better, he eventually will have no choice.
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Should that not be all VOL fans not just the AD?
 
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If we lose those four games but win those three, then that means we're losing to Cal, Alabama, Arkansas, and somebody else. Any one of those "somebody elses" -- Kentucky, Vandy, Arkansas State, Mississippi State, or LA-Lafayette -- would be enough to ratchet the heat way up all by itself.

(Edit: I wander off to haul my two-year-old off the kitchen island, and everybody beat me to it.)
 
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