John Adams doesn’t hold back

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Meh, he's basically saying the hire is a crap shoot, and he's not wrong. Every fan wants KJH to succeed. That doesn't mean she will, and Adams is pointing that out. Some call it being negative simply because it isn't what they want to hear. Truthfully it's just being realistic. This is reality. She'll either succeed or fail. Hopefully she succeeds, but you also have to accept she may not.

And let's be honest, this is not a splash hire. That doesn't mean it won't be a good hire.
 
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Go to any scruffy wings and beer joint that has a dartboard and a cheap flat panel tv.

Spot the most scruffy, bitter old drunk man at the bar.

Sidle up next to him, wipe the stinky beer slop film off the bar, sit down, and order a PBR. (In a can, no glass, thank you.)

Ask the scruffy, bitter old drunk man what he thinks about UT sports.

Get a John Adams column for the price of a PBR v. a $300 subscription to the local McPaper.
 
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Here’s a little cheat sheet for you guys...

1.) John Adams is an idiot.

2.) Tennessee doesn’t throw money at winners. They hire people they think will be winners at Tennessee. So far ADPF has not disappointed.

3.) If you expected something different you haven’t been paying attention. I’m shocked that you’re shocked.

4.) You may have noticed I didn’t include my opinion on the LV hire. Why? Because I don’t know if she’s going to do a good job or not yet. So I STFU about it.

As you were.
 
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Where Adams and a lot of people are wrong is his reference to a “talented roster.” I saw them play several times, and I think a lot of people assume they’re super talented. Part of Holly’s problem is that she didn’t have incredible talent. It was ok, but not great. Her recruiting was overrated. Adams is already setting Harper up by leading everyone to believe they’re super talented, and they’re not. Let’s call it what it is. She’s coming into a great job with decent, not great, talent.
 
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Where Adams and a lot of people are wrong is his reference to a “talented roster.” I saw them play several times, and I think a lot of people assume they’re super talented. Part of Holly’s problem is that she didn’t have incredible talent. It was ok, but not great. Her recruiting was overrated. Adams is already setting Harper up by leading everyone to believe they’re super talented, and they’re not. Let’s call it what it is. She’s coming into a great job with decent, not great, talent.
The talent is there, it was just under coached. Kinda like Lyle in football.
 
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Where Adams and a lot of people are wrong is his reference to a “talented roster.” I saw them play several times, and I think a lot of people assume they’re super talented. Part of Holly’s problem is that she didn’t have incredible talent. It was ok, but not great. Her recruiting was overrated. Adams is already setting Harper up by leading everyone to believe they’re super talented, and they’re not. Let’s call it what it is. She’s coming into a great job with decent, not great, talent.
I think she said final 4 talent.
 
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Where Adams and a lot of people are wrong is his reference to a “talented roster.” I saw them play several times, and I think a lot of people assume they’re super talented. Part of Holly’s problem is that she didn’t have incredible talent. It was ok, but not great. Her recruiting was overrated. Adams is already setting Harper up by leading everyone to believe they’re super talented, and they’re not. Let’s call it what it is. She’s coming into a great job with decent, not great, talent.
Westbrook and Davis will be high WNBA draft picks. Green and Collins will be WNBA players if they continue to improve, and KK if she can ever get her health in order. If these players stay we will find out very early what kind of coach Harper is, she won't be hurting for talent...
 
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Where Adams and a lot of people are wrong is his reference to a “talented roster.” I saw them play several times, and I think a lot of people assume they’re super talented. Part of Holly’s problem is that she didn’t have incredible talent. It was ok, but not great. Her recruiting was overrated. Adams is already setting Harper up by leading everyone to believe they’re super talented, and they’re not. Let’s call it what it is. She’s coming into a great job with decent, not great, talent.
So, you are saying that Holly Warlick is the best person for the job? She was planning on making player changes and staff changes next year. So Holly agrees with you.
 
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If I want to read homer takes I can easily find them on VN. Adams is no homer and that’s why a lot of people don’t like him. I think his writing style can be annoying, but there’s nothing wrong with considering his point of view
Well,my point of view is he needs to retire, and his replacement needs to be someone who is not a snarky hypocrite. It has nothing to do with him not being a homer. He is like a hanging chad. And when I line my bird cage with his picture, I praise the occupants aim. You may not find anything wrong with considering his point of view as long as those who do take it in suppository form.
 
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Where Adams and a lot of people are wrong is his reference to a “talented roster.” I saw them play several times, and I think a lot of people assume they’re super talented. Part of Holly’s problem is that she didn’t have incredible talent. It was ok, but not great. Her recruiting was overrated. Adams is already setting Harper up by leading everyone to believe they’re super talented, and they’re not. Let’s call it what it is. She’s coming into a great job with decent, not great, talent.
The very heart of the matter, IMO, and the biggest test for KJH. Sort out exactly what "talent" is there, how badly has it been damaged and diminished, and how to make the best of what's left of it. I am so curious to see how this develops.

Truth is, no one knows what we have at this point. We have highly-ranked high school players who have not shown a scintilla of the "talent" necessary to be even decent, consistent SEC players. I have never understood those who swear we have final four caliber players. Are you seeing secret games or workouts or something? Because what I've actually seen on court during basketball games cannot beat Vandy or Alabama, much less FF.

General agreement that whatever talent was there was squashed by the ineptness of CHW. I believe this because there have been so many highly ranked kids who have failed to reach potential the last few years. Couldn't have all been over rated, lazy, soft, don't give a damn brats.
Pretty clear Professor Holly was getting Merit Scholars in and turning kids who couldn't read out. Zero ability to develop potential into talent; arguably she made players worse.

Question is, how much can be salvaged and how long will it take. IMO we better be patient, this will be a process. Not sure KJH can just waltz in and repair all the damage in a summer. Hope so, but not sure.
 
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"Kellie Harper is likable." Is right. Missouri State absolutely LOVED her. They cant stop praising her. Or do you think maybe they are making it up so they can more easily get rid of her?
 
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Where Adams and a lot of people are wrong is his reference to a “talented roster.” I saw them play several times, and I think a lot of people assume they’re super talented. Part of Holly’s problem is that she didn’t have incredible talent. It was ok, but not great. Her recruiting was overrated. Adams is already setting Harper up by leading everyone to believe they’re super talented, and they’re not. Let’s call it what it is. She’s coming into a great job with decent, not great, talent.
I disagree. Warlick didn't have a transcendent game changer like Holdsclaw or Parker but she had plenty enough talent to reach the Final Four. A better coach would have done it, at least once.
 
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I disagree. Warlick didn't have a transcendent game changer like Holdsclaw or Parker but she had plenty enough talent to reach the Final Four. A better coach would have done it, at least once.
I'm curious, what do you base your assessment of the current players' FF talent on? High school rankings? Potential?
 
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I love it when a John Adams article is quoted on this site. The only time it happens is when the normally negative article JA writes is in line with the negative stance they have taken. Any other time, most on this site consider his articles trash journalism.
Exactly - as long as he was bashing Holly he was loved on here! LOL

That said, I was most impressed with KJH’s presser. She was very poised, seemed down to earth, and her love for the program was certainly evident. I can see how she would have knocked an interview for the head coach of the Lady Vols out of the park! I like her more with each interview I watch.

Also, I was particularly touched by what she said about Holly. Time will tell if she is successful, and I feel she will be. I am definitely rooting for her!

(Lastly, she is a Tennessee girl and talks like me and I love that! ) 😁
 
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I'm curious, what do you base your assessment of the current players' FF talent on? High school rankings? Potential?
That assessment wasn't exclusive to the current team but to Warlick's entire tenure... Hence, why I used the language "at least once". I do consider players such as Burdick, Carter, Massengale, Graves, Simmons, Spani, Russell to be "Final Four" talent both on their high school rankings and what they showed on the court while in college. The sum of the parts was never equal to the whole due to poor game coaching.
 
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That is if you enjoy following gloom and doom, and are not influenced by a continual dose of negative crap. I wonder if this guy has to travel around with security or in disguise. I couldn't imagine even going to the grocery store if I were him. I would be afraid of a tomato in the face or worse. Or, maybe his crap has worn so thin in Knoxville that no one pays the slightest bit of attention to him anymore.
Have enjoyed ignoring the self-aggrandizing crap from that guy for years. The only reason I know he still exists are people on VN obsessed with posting links to his click bait.
 
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Hey guys! Been a while! I think Fulmer is a person who knows what it takes. You have to remember he is a guy who wasn’t a head coach and inherited a program with less of a track record than Harper or Pruitt had and well we all know how well he did. He also coached during a time most of our athletic programs were at the top. So, he knows what all of it should look like. He also ponied up to keep Barnes and to hire Chaney, so he clearly wants to win. Adams had a choice to write a positive or negative article and would have had a point either way, but as usual he chose the negative and it seems it works well for him considering his reign.
 

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I was most impressed with KJH’s presser. She was very poised, seemed down to earth, and her love for the program was certainly evident.
Kelly is a very good speaker, she came through as a genuine person and a good communicator, much better than Holly's stumbling, bumbling style of speaking. Kelly did what Holly should have done years ago, i.e. go out and blaze her own path at head coach jobs and grow as a leader rather than a follower. It's evident she knows how to relate to players and handle the admin side of coaching as well. She will bring a lot of Pat's qualities that were instilled in her when she played at UT.
 
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You are correct however, ppl needs to understand that Holly's records came easily for her. She got a high profile team left for her to coach & after she won 3 conference with that it kept going down because she couldn't coach to maintain those stars. While Harper brought non-high profile team to tournaments. That's wat we all needs to look into and not Holly's records. Again, if you switch Holly & Harper with their teams, holly will never go far with Missouri State team. Every school were fighting hard to keep their top coaches, but Harper is here, I love her. "THE STONE THE BUILDERS REJECTED BECOMES THE PILLARS OF THE HOUSE".
 

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Kelly is a very good speaker, she came through as a genuine person and a good communicator, much better than Holly's stumbling, bumbling style of speaking. Kelly did what Holly should have done years ago, i.e. go out and blaze her own path at head coach jobs and grow as a leader rather than a follower. It's evident she knows how to relate to players and handle the admin side of coaching as well. She will bring a lot of Pat's qualities that were instilled in her when she played at UT.
Maybe as time goes on folks can support Kellie without continuing to bash Holly. Kellie made it very clear she loves her and it really serves no purpose anymore. I agree, Kellie is a very good speaker and came through very genuine. 😊
 
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