Jerry Green question

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I figured i'd ask you guys (and gals) since you would know UT bball history better than most sources but I've had this question for quite some time. I know you think highly of Pearl and w/ good reason and how he can potentially get the program back on track but what i'm not understanding is why Green got fired despite his success? i read how he took UT to 4 straight NCAA tourneys, including a Sweet 16, and had 4 20-win seasons and yet he still gets fired?! does a coach need to have a Final 4 or National championship appearance just to keep his job there?
 
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i agree w/ firing Peterson, but just don't get Green getting fired. that's why some of us thought Pearl wouldn't take the job b/c he'd be gone in 4 years.
 
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The problem with Coach Green was a lot of stuff off the court. He was very unpersonable and confrontational with the those in the athletic department, the fan base and big donors.

There was also EXTREME lack of discipline, and I should know, I was a manager then. There were times when players fought with Green or among themselves and just walked out of practice early with no punishment or reprimand.

The team also consistantly fell flat on its face in big games despite the overall sucess. Of those 4 NCAA Tournament appearances, three of them were embarrassing losses to Illinois State, Southeast Missouri State, and UNC-Charlotte (before they were well known). We also went out in the first round of the SEC Tournament each year Green was here I think.

Vol Insider :ninja:
 
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Originally posted by VolInsider@Oct 17, 2005 6:24 PM
The problem with Coach Green was a lot of stuff off the court. He was very unpersonable and confrontational with the those in the athletic department, the fan base and big donors.

There was also EXTREME lack of discipline, and I should know, I was a manager then.  There were times when players fought with Green or among themselves and just walked out of practice early with no punishment or reprimand.

The team also consistantly fell flat on its face in big games despite the overall sucess.  Of those 4 NCAA Tournament appearances, three of them were embarrassing losses to Illinois State, Southeast Missouri State, and UNC-Charlotte (before they were well known). We also went out in the first round of the SEC Tournament each year Green was here I think.

Vol Insider :ninja:
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Not likely to happen during Pearl's tenure.
 
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Originally posted by Panthers4Ever@Oct 17, 2005 7:23 PM
i agree w/ firing Peterson, but just don't get Green getting fired. that's why some of us thought Pearl wouldn't take the job b/c he'd be gone in 4 years.
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I think Coach Pearl will be just fine here. He seems to be all about hard work and discipline, and is a real class act. Those are things fans here are very receptive too. We can take losses (especially with basketball) as long as the team is hustling, trying their best, and are good representatives of the University. :thumbsup:
 
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Also Green was not a very good recruiter as evidenced by the fall of UT basketball
 
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Originally posted by Vol67@Oct 17, 2005 6:54 PM
Also Green was not a very good recruiter as evidenced by the fall of UT basketball
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What? You don't remember the dominance of Andy Ikeakor?
 
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From a strictly won/loss standpoint, Green was the most successful BB coach in UT history. NOBODY had ever put four 20-win seasons together in a row at UT, not Mears, not DeVoe, NOBODY.

There was, of course, a flip side.

To be charitable, Green was a horse's patoot when it came to fan relations and player control.

In one memorable press conference, the coach called out the fans, saying if they didn't like the product he was putting on the floor they could "go to Wal-Mart." Green later went on to make other snide comments that infuriated what was left of the BB fan base.

Then there was Tony Harris.

Harris was an All-World HS player from Memphis who was heavily recruited by Kevin O'Neal, to whom he gave a verbal commitment. Upon KO's departure and Green's hire, the litmus test for Green became his ability to get Harris on campus. Somehow, Green did it. Some suspect he mortgaged his soul to do so.

Harris proved to be a talented player who, unfortunately, displayed a tendency to thuggish behavior and consistently performed at about 75% of his potential. Green never, as near as anyone outside the program could tell, took any steps to change that scenario.

The whole mess came to a head in Lexington in 2002 against the hated Wildcats.

Harris had been "dogging it" all year, pouting and posing and bitching and griping. Finally, he opted not to play against UK, claiming an ankle injury. He spent the game slouching at the end of the bench glowering at the cameras and generally behaving like an anal orifice.

That is, until the fight broke out.

A close play in front of the UK bench resulted in a scuffle. Harris came up out of his chair and shot down the sideline -displaying no apparent limp - and charged into the pile, fists swinging.

At that moment Jerry Green was DONE. He could have gone to the Final Four and would STILL have been discharged at year's end. Had the UTAD even dropped an HINT Green would be retained, the betting was a crowd would be outside Stokely Athletics Center with torches, pitchforks and nooses and looking for Doug Dickey.

Green got a hefty buy-out and bought himself a house on the coast of Carolina.

Tony Harris went to play ball in Europe and dropped out of sight.

Buzz Peterson was hired as the "Anti-Green" and proved to be just that. He was personable and fan-friendly but couldn't win twenty games a season under most any circumstances anyone could imagine.
 
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The facts are that Green did not get along with AD Doug Dickey and some of the major donors.

None of the crap you guys are writing was enough to fire a coach that was winning at the rate he was. There are plenty of coaches out there getting dui's getting caught with prostitutes, etc. "but Jerry Green lost in the NCAA tournament" AT LEAST HE TOOK TEAMS TO THE NCAA TOURNAMENT. "he hurt the fans feelings" PLEASE, IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO HURT FANS FEELINGS AT UT. JUST READ ALOT OF THE POSTINGS ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD.

The loss to Illinois State was by 1-point in overtime. Disappointing yes.... but Tennessee was just happy to be at the NCAA tournament that season after such a long drought from being there. SE Missouri State was bad. The previous poster did not mention the WIN over UCONN... yes THAT UCONN and the narrow loss to UNC in the sweet 16. I from recollection, UNC-Charlotte has been good for quite a while. They've certainly been to more NCAA tourments and have more victories than the Vols in NCAA tourney history.

The previous posters also failed to mention that Jerry Green beat Kentucky on a regular basis.

Hopefully Pearl can get us back to the level of national prominence that the Vols enjoyed while Green was coach..... that is if he doesn't get fired soon.

You see, the University... and fans included.... will fire coaches at the drop of a hat. They've gotten quite a bad reputation for that nationally. To see that mentality... just visit any Vols football home game and you can hear the fans screaming for whoever the backup quarterback is. Even when Peyton Manning was at UT... you could hear the fans, "put in Brandon Stewart!"
 
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Originally posted by allvol@Oct 18, 2005 1:59 PM
The facts are that Green did not get along with AD Doug Dickey and some of the major donors. 

None of the crap you guys are writing was enough to fire a coach that was winning at the rate he was.  There are plenty of coaches out there getting dui's getting caught with prostitutes, etc.  "but Jerry Green lost in the NCAA tournament"  AT LEAST HE TOOK TEAMS TO THE NCAA TOURNAMENT.  "he hurt the fans feelings"  PLEASE, IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO HURT FANS FEELINGS AT UT.  JUST READ ALOT OF THE POSTINGS ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD.

The loss to Illinois State was by 1-point in overtime.  Disappointing yes.... but Tennessee was just happy to be at the NCAA tournament that season after such a long drought from being there.  SE Missouri State was bad.  The previous poster did not mention the WIN over UCONN... yes THAT UCONN and the narrow loss to UNC in the sweet 16.  I from recollection, UNC-Charlotte has been good for quite a while.  They've certainly been to more NCAA tourments and have more victories than the Vols in NCAA tourney history.

The previous posters also failed to mention that Jerry Green beat Kentucky on a regular basis.

Hopefully Pearl can get us back to the level of national prominence that the Vols enjoyed while Green was coach..... that is if he doesn't get fired soon.

You see, the University... and fans included.... will fire coaches at the drop of a hat.  They've gotten quite a bad reputation for that nationally.  To see that mentality... just visit any Vols football home game and you can hear the fans screaming for whoever the backup quarterback is.  Even when Peyton Manning was at UT... you could hear the fans, "put in Brandon Stewart!"
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That's right Green was great. Remind me , which basketball power scooped him up after we fired him? Oh, that's right St. Bonaventure decided he couldn't cut it there and declined to formally interview him.
 
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Originally posted by allvol@Oct 18, 2005 1:59 PM
The facts are that Green did not get along with AD Doug Dickey and some of the major donors. 

None of the crap you guys are writing was enough to fire a coach that was winning at the rate he was.  There are plenty of coaches out there getting dui's getting caught with prostitutes, etc.  "but Jerry Green lost in the NCAA tournament"  AT LEAST HE TOOK TEAMS TO THE NCAA TOURNAMENT.  "he hurt the fans feelings"  PLEASE, IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO HURT FANS FEELINGS AT UT.  JUST READ ALOT OF THE POSTINGS ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD.

The loss to Illinois State was by 1-point in overtime.  Disappointing yes.... but Tennessee was just happy to be at the NCAA tournament that season after such a long drought from being there.  SE Missouri State was bad.  The previous poster did not mention the WIN over UCONN... yes THAT UCONN and the narrow loss to UNC in the sweet 16.  I from recollection, UNC-Charlotte has been good for quite a while.  They've certainly been to more NCAA tourments and have more victories than the Vols in NCAA tourney history.

The previous posters also failed to mention that Jerry Green beat Kentucky on a regular basis.

Hopefully Pearl can get us back to the level of national prominence that the Vols enjoyed while Green was coach..... that is if he doesn't get fired soon.

You see, the University... and fans included.... will fire coaches at the drop of a hat.  They've gotten quite a bad reputation for that nationally.  To see that mentality... just visit any Vols football home game and you can hear the fans screaming for whoever the backup quarterback is.  Even when Peyton Manning was at UT... you could hear the fans, "put in Brandon Stewart!"
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"Fire coaches at the drop of a hat?" How long have Fulmer, Summit, and Delmonico been in their positions? I would agree, we do have a reputation for hiring, then shortly thereafter firing, incompetent basketball coaches. Good coaches never stay unemployed. Green stole a salary for four years. He used talent KO recruited, then rolled the balls out and slept through the games. Look at all the great recruits Jerry brought to UT. Oh, that's right, when left to his own skills, he brought us Elgrace Wilborn and Andy Ikeakor.
 
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just some successful coaches fired by Tennessee:
Bill Battle (never had a losing season, 5 straight bowls, 3 top 10 finishes)
Johnny Majors (after winning 9 games or more in his last 4 seasons)
Don Devoe (after taking the Vols to the NCAA tournament)

Please quit lying on this board people. I've heard it all before and I've answered it all before on this very board. Search old posts if you want. Green did not used KO talent. He recruited ALL the talent on the UT team that went to the sweet 16. Talent like Ron Slay, Isiah Victor, Marcus Haislip, Vincent Yarbrough.

And Green is not coaching right now..... BECAUSE HE'S STILL GETTING PAID TO SIT ON HIS A$$ BY THE UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE.

I know trainers that worked for him.... I know players that played for him while he coached at UNC-Asheville. I also know that about 90% of what is written by others about Green on these message boards is revisionist history and pure crap.
 
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Originally posted by allvol@Oct 18, 2005 2:19 PM
just some successful coaches fired by Tennessee:
Bill Battle (never had a losing season, 5 straight bowls, 3 top 10 finishes)
Johnny Majors (after winning 9 games or more in his last 4 seasons)
Don Devoe (after taking the Vols to the NCAA tournament)

Please quit lying on this board people.  I've heard it all before and I've answered it all before on this very board.  Search old posts if you want.  Green did not used KO talent.  He recruited ALL the talent on the UT team that went to the sweet 16.  Talent like Ron Slay, Isiah Victor, Marcus Haislip, Vincent Yarbrough.

And Green is not coaching right now..... BECAUSE HE'S STILL GETTING PAID TO SIT ON HIS A$$ BY THE UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE.

I know trainers that worked for him.... I know players that played for him while he coached at UNC-Asheville.  I also know that about 90% of what is written by others about Green on these message boards is revisionist history and pure crap.
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You mean the UNC-Ashville job where he first proved he couldn't cut it as a head coach. Green is working now. He's washing Kelvin Sampson's car at Oklahoma. Victor redshirted due to academics under KO. I guess Green was recruiting for UT before he ever got here. Yarbrough only came here because KO was smart enough to throw a scholarship at Del Baker. Slay? AAU connections that KO fostered by putting Little Benson on staff for awhile. Haislip contributed absolutely nothing to the team that went to the round of 16.Ooh, you know trainers. I'll simply let what a current in-state college coach said about Ol' Jerry speak for me.. "I took a team to the Final Four with one guy who would play major minutes on the team he's ruining."
 
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He is correct about the recruits. They were O'Neil's recruits. Do your research. Also, you can't just say he deserved his job because he won 20 games and made the NCAA. The fact is that he had FINAL FOUR TALENT. Thats hard to believe at UT, but with any type of decent coach that team should have made the final four. Anything less was a disappointment. And, oh boy what a disappointment that team was. They lost games to teams that did not have half the talent they did. When a coach comes in and does nothing with the talent the last coach left him and then proves the he can bring in to big talent of his own what do you expect us to do? Give him a raise?
 
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All I know is that I love the University of Tennessee. But no other school in the country treats some of their coaches the way Tennessee does.

Green did not deserve to get fired the way he did. If his success had dropped to like NO NCAA tournaments I could understand, but to fire a coach because you think the talent level is down and they won't win in a few seasons is absurd. Buzz Peterson took one of the most talented teams in Tennessee history his first season and was sub-.500.

Please name-drop and quote some more from "in-state" coaches. There are plenty of coaches who don't like Green's style just like there are plenty who like his style in the fraternity of coaches. You have added nothing to the discussion.
 
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The only starter from KO's teams that played for Jerry Green was Brandon Wharton. If you think otherwise you guys are complete idiots. I'm sitting here looking at official press guides for the University of Tennessee.

All I know is that KO's team's sucked while he was at Tennessee. KO had the worst attitude of any coach I've ever been around. His biggest recruit was a verbal by Tony Harris. Then KO left. Jerry Green had to re-recruit Tony Harris to Tennessee. Vincent Yarbrough and Ron Slay were the biggests recruits that Tennessee has had since the 70's. KO had nothing to do with them coming to UT.
 
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Originally posted by allvol@Oct 18, 2005 2:45 PM
All I know is that I love the University of Tennessee.  But no other school in the country treats some of their coaches the way Tennessee does. 

Green did not deserve to get fired the way he did.  If his success had dropped to like NO NCAA tournaments I could understand, but to fire a coach because you think the talent level is down and they won't win in a few seasons is absurd.  Buzz Peterson took one of the most talented teams in Tennessee history his first season and was sub-.500.

Please name-drop and quote some more from "in-state" coaches.  There are plenty of coaches who don't like Green's style just like there are plenty who like his style in the fraternity of coaches.  You have added nothing to the discussion.
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You mean other than laying bare your ridiculous comment about all the guys Green recruited? Outside of his little Carolina "clique" and a few guys he played golf with when he coached in the Pac-10, Green is considered a buffoon among coaches. Everyone knows the only reason he got the job was Dickey was desperate to get a coach after the whole Kevin Stallings/Tim Floyd "phone call in the kitchen incident". So he hired the first guy who would say yes. Green would NEVER have gotten a job with resources like UT has under any other circumstance.
 
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Coached the Oregon Ducks to their first trip to the NCAA Tournament in 34 years
Coached the Ducks to three consecutive winning seasons
Head basketball coach at the University of Tennessee
Coached 125 games at UT
Coached UT to 89-36 (71.2%)record
Has over 300 career wins
Holds UT school-record with 26 win season
Four consecutive trips to the NCAA Tournament
One "Sweet Sixteen" appearance
 
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Originally posted by allvol@Oct 18, 2005 2:50 PM
The only starter from KO's teams that played for Jerry Green was Brandon Wharton.  If you think otherwise you guys are complete idiots.  I'm sitting here looking at official press guides for the University of Tennessee.

All I know is that KO's team's sucked while he was at Tennessee.  KO had the worst attitude of any coach I've ever been around.  His biggest recruit was a verbal by Tony Harris.  Then KO left.  Jerry Green had to re-recruit Tony Harris to Tennessee.  Vincent Yarbrough and Ron Slay were the biggests recruits that Tennessee has had since the 70's.  KO had nothing to do with them coming to UT.
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Does the name CJ Black ring a bell? And if you think the AAU/family connections didn't bring Slay/Yarbrough in, why did Uncle Jerry's recruiting suddenly dry up and wither away? Why didn't the talent just keep flowing on to campus?
 
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Originally posted by allvol@Oct 18, 2005 2:55 PM
in your pathetic opinion that is
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If Bill Battle and Don Devoe are your definitions of "successful", I consider it a compliment to be called pathetic by you. Also, please name all the other high profile jobs Green has had before or since his stay in Knoxville.
 
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Originally posted by allvol@Oct 18, 2005 2:55 PM
Coached the Oregon Ducks to their first trip to the NCAA Tournament in 34 years
Coached the Ducks to three consecutive winning seasons
Head basketball coach at the University of Tennessee
Coached 125 games at UT
Coached UT to 89-36 (71.2%)record
Has over 300 career wins
Holds UT school-record with 26 win season
Four consecutive trips to the NCAA Tournament
One "Sweet Sixteen" appearance
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Fired at UNC-Ashville
Ernie Kent has been far more successful at Oregon
Fired at UT
Unemployed until Kelvin Sampson needed a butler
 
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The Vols were pretty talented when Green was fired. Buzz Peterson's first team finished 15-16 after much preseason fanfare. The starters were....

Marcus Haislip
Vincent Yarbrough
Ron Slay
John Higgins
Brandon Crump

 

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