Jalin Hyatt - What Went Wrong?

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The Blame Game:

50% - The Giants - not a good fit, coaching problems, quarterback problems, poor job at developing/using him, etc.
35% - Other dudes are just better - NFL is the elite of the elite and some dudes are just more elite.
15% - Hyatt's own deficiencies - Not big enough, not a good enough route runner, etc.
 
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The biggest takeaway for me is something we have known for a long time- college success does not always mean pro success. In fact, a lot of the pro QBs are guys I never heard of in college, but maybe were successful at a different level.

Way too many Heisman winners, and even runners up, turn out to be total busts in the NFL.
Pretty much this. All players have to transition to a new level of competition. Not all that many pan out for a long career.

Lots of factors for Hyatt as others have pointed out.

However this is far from unique to Heupel or Heupel's system. If he makes guys "look" better than they are... how is that bad for anyone? Still doesn't mean some of those guys won't become great.... and they'll still get a chance to make it and make NFL money.
 
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there have been tons of college players that could play very well in college but not the pros. Lot of system successes in college and that was Hyatt. He benefitted from the Heupel system with Hooker at QB.. Which Hooker is the best QB under Heupel at Tennessee to be able to execute his system. Hyatt is strictly a college system success. He might have won that award but he would not have even played in the 90s for Tennessee and they talent they had at that time at WR. JMO

Now I say that as a person who doesn't watch professional football. I only watch the super bowel games and nothing else with professional. Been the 90s since I watched it regular so I might not understand what type players are successful in the pros.
 
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So let me get this straight. A kid who doesn't have NFL size or route running ability was able to win the Belitnakoff award, get drafted in the 3rd round, and make millions of dollars, and this is somehow proof that Heupel's offense isn't good for receivers? Lol. Ok.
 
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Ohio State, Georgia, and Alabama have made their bones by marketing the fact that they send all these guys to the NFL. However, they don't tend to mention that those guys would've all gone to the NFL anyway regardless of where they played college ball. NFL talent goes to the NFL. Shocker. If those same players had gone to Tennessee, they would also go and dominate in the NFL. Who designed their college offense or who their position coach was would have had almost no bearing on that fact.
 
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So let me get this straight. A kid who doesn't have NFL size or route running ability was able to win the Belitnakoff award, get drafted in the 3rd round, and make millions of dollars, and this is somehow proof that Heupel's offense isn't good for receivers? Lol. Ok.
I think the general criticism is Heupel's system puts out great numbers and makes WR look better than they are. Gets them in the NFL. That's great. But it doesn't prepare them for the NFL, and they tend to disappear not long after. This lack of successful NFL WRs that he's coached as an OC or HC kinda backs that up. Now is that due to individual talent, college coaching, or player commitment? Who can really say for sure.

It's been said recently and it was said a few years ago after Hyatt was drafted. We were still running an up tempo offense with Hooker. After the 3rd or 4th play when we snap the ball 2 seconds after lining up, the defense starts getting confused on who is covering who. That leads to a lot of poor coverage or complete busts. Go back to the 2023 highlights and you'll see several plays where our WR had 5+ yards on a defender due to late pickups or 10+ yards due to blown coverage. That wasn't due to incredible WR ability. More so the offensive scheme offense causing confusion.

I don't say this to belittle Hyatt. He was a good college receiver and had some good plays that he 100% owned. But a lot of his yards/tds were due to our offense at the time.
 
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Hyatt's straight line speed wasn't special. He had was tied with 2 other WR at 6th fastest WR 40 at the combine. He's not a big receiver. He doesn't have amazing hands or route running. It was going to be an uphill battle for him.
He was injured when he ran at the combine. He was widely expected to be in the sub 4.3 range healthy, the skill set was more of the issue. Just wasn't ever going to be an NFL starter
 
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I think the general criticism is Heupel's system puts out great numbers and makes WR look better than they are. Gets them in the NFL. That's great. But it doesn't prepare them for the NFL, and they tend to disappear not long after. This lack of successful NFL WRs that he's coached as an OC or HC kinda backs that up. Now is that due to individual talent, college coaching, or player commitment? Who can really say for sure.

It's been said recently and it was said a few years ago after Hyatt was drafted. We were still running an up tempo offense with Hooker. After the 3rd or 4th play when we snap the ball 2 seconds after lining up, the defense starts getting confused on who is covering who. That leads to a lot of poor coverage or complete busts. Go back to the 2023 highlights and you'll see several plays where our WR had 5+ yards on a defender due to late pickups or 10+ yards due to blown coverage. That wasn't due to incredible WR ability. More so the offensive scheme offense causing confusion.

I don't say this to belittle Hyatt. He was a good college receiver and had some good plays that he 100% owned. But a lot of his yards/tds were due to our offense at the time.
Callaway, who was before Heupel was a multi year starter in the NFL. Josh Palmer is a fixture in the league.

Another notable take is that now we know Manning made all his receivers look like NFL receivers, but Nash and Kent didn't last long and while Price had some good years as WR2 in Buffalo, he was a flop in Atlanta when they signed them to be their No. 1 guy.

All of our best WRs in the NFL were pretty much before our 1990s success. Morgan, McGee, Miller, Harper, Pickens.

We had a lot of great WR play while the players were at UT. One reason we were dubbed WRU at one time. The numbers were much less at the next level. Walt Harris and David Cutcliffe deserve a great amount of credit, along with Peyton for the success at the college level
 
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Callaway, who was before Heupel was a multi year starter in the NFL. Josh Palmer is a fixture in the league.

Another notable take is that now we know Manning made all his receivers look like NFL receivers, but Nash and Kent didn't last long and while Price had some good years as WR2 in Buffalo, he was a flop in Atlanta when they signed them to be their No. 1 guy.

All of our best WRs in the NFL were pretty much before our 1990s success. Morgan, McGee, Miller, Harper, Pickens.

We had a lot of great WR play while the players were at UT. One reason we were dubbed WRU at one time. The numbers were much less at the next level. Walt Harris and David Cutcliffe deserve a great amount of credit, along with Peyton for the success at the college level
Harper tried to cheat off me during a Nutrition class.

Nutrition 101 IIRC. :rolleyes:

Why, Alvin, why!?
 
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More shade thrown at the Giants franchise.

Maybe he just would be best served to be cut altogether. Get picked up by another team that'd use him in the slot.

Quotes...

"A Speed Weapon Used Like a Possession Receiver

Hyatt’s defining trait has always been speed. Not good speed — game-altering speed. When he played at Tennessee, he thrived primarily out of the slot (87% of snaps as a senior), where free releases and open space allowed him to burn safeties vertically and horizontally.

Rather than building packages that mirrored Hyatt’s collegiate success, New York consistently deployed him outside against press coverage — asking a lean, speed-based receiver to win physically at the line of scrimmage. After playing 88.3% of snaps out wide in 2023, that number rose to 89.6% in 2024, and remains at 81.4% of snaps this season.

The result was predictable: stalled routes, disrupted timing, and a receiver who looked increasingly uncomfortable within the structure of the offense. Hyatt has looked sloppy running his routes and has been known to drop many of the limited passes that now come in his direction.

Instead of accentuating Hyatt’s strengths, the Giants neutralized them. His yards per reception have dropped dramatically, his target share has shrunk, and his role has devolved into situational snaps rather than designed opportunities. For a player whose value is tied to defensive fear, that’s football malpractice.

This isn’t simply a matter of Hyatt “not developing.” It’s a case of development being misdirected from the start. Joe Schoen has seen several of his draft picks turn into busts, including Evan Neal and Deonte Banks, largely through mismanagement. Hyatt has next-level speed, but is hardly even on the field for the Giants, even with Malik Nabers tearing his ACL early in the season."
 
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I wonder what Marvin Harrison’s career woulda looked like had he gone to a team with Qb issues.

Highly productive. He had 139 receptions, 14 TDS, and 12.5 APC his first two years without Peyton.....

Wandale Robinson has 185 catches the past two years for the Giants. QB player is only a tiny sliver of what went wrong with Hyatt...
 
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I wonder what Marvin Harrison’s career woulda looked like had he gone to a team with Qb issues.

Harrison (if you extrapolated his per game averages without Peyton to the rest of his career)

825 catches
10,200 yards
84 TDs

Maybe not HOF but really, really good
 
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I never thought much of the Giants former coach. Even at the pro level there is continued player development with good coaching, and if route running is a problem I believe he could learn that with better coaching. Hopefully he will get the chance to do better. GBO!!!
 
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I wonder what Marvin Harrison’s career woulda looked like had he gone to a team with Qb issues.
That’s the biggest contributor. Not many Calvin and Andre Johnson’s in the world. Not many pro’s can out-talent the other pro’s.

As for skill positions, most success stories come down to who your QB’s and coaches are.
 
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Harrison (if you extrapolated his per game averages without Peyton to the rest of his career)

825 catches
10,200 yards
84 TDs

Maybe not HOF but really, really good
On a much higher level, Manning made him a HOFer much like he made Nash and Kent great college WRs
 
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At least he was there!
This is true. He was a nice enough guy. Just school wasn't his thing I guess.

That 1 handed catch he made... Not sure if it was college or the Cowboys, but wow... It was akin to the OBJ catch of this generation IMO.
 
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This is true. He was a nice enough guy. Just school wasn't his thing I guess.

That 1 handed catch he made... Not sure if it was college or the Cowboys, but wow... It was akin to the OBJ catch of this generation IMO.
He made a couple of one handed catches at BOTH levels
 

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