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[VolBall09]

Exactly! Also another great example is Alysha Clark who played at Belmont and then Middle Tennessee State University. She now plays for the Las Vegas Aces and has won several titles in the WNBA. She has always played bigger then her size. She is maybe 5'11 but is relentless on the board and super athletic

Yes, she’s a player that really grew her game over her career as well.

You don’t have to be 6’6” to be a successful rebounder/defender in women’s basketball. You just have to want to do it.

I was a small forward in men’s basketball at 6’3” but mostly defended bigger players. Rebounded well just based on timing and positioning.

I found the bigger the player often the easier they were to defend. They were slow, easy to get around for the steal and actually easier to block because they tend not to jump, shot fake and are used to just being bigger than everyone else.

 

[glv98]

Yeah too many people get caught up on size when it’s about desire.

So you think the last two taller but less athletics posts we played scored all over Zee bc Zee didn't have enough desire to stop them?

I could have sworn it was the extra 2 or 3 inches.

I don't get it with questioning the desire with this team. At all. Dear God, look what they signed up for! It's so much effort I worry that it's too much and that's why they're already getting tired.

Not surprisingly, you missed the point. The thread isn’t about “a factual discourse over an abject failure of a coach”. It’s about the commitment of a great player. Let me try to simplify my point. If you want to criticize prior coaches, do it in a separate thread rather than backhandedly doing it in a thread about a great new recruit.

Criticize to your hearts content but do it in a thread for that topic. Be brave about it rather than try to to sneak it in where it isn’t warranted.

The petty is the point. For some reason, this poster took everything the Harpers did as a great personal insult. The butthurt is a bottomless pit.

 

[VolBall09]

So you think the last two taller but less athletics posts we played scored all over Zee bc Zee didn't have enough desire to stop them?

I could have sworn it was the extra 2 or 3 inches.

I don't get it with questioning the desire with this team. At all. Dear God, look what they signed up for! It's so much effort I worry that it's too much and that's why they're already getting tired.


The petty is the point. For some reason, this poster took everything the Harpers did as a great personal insult. The butthurt is a bottomless pit.

Yes actually that’s exactly what I think. She has to position herself better, anticipate better, rotate faster and make them uncomfortable. She did none of that.

She’s actually a better perimeter defender than post defender and that has to improve. I believe she only had 2 boards last night as well. Again, that’s a lack of desire with her height and athelticism.

Boyd is a great rebounder for her size on desire, timing and positioning alone.

 

[VolBall09]

So you think the last two taller but less athletics posts we played scored all over Zee bc Zee didn't have enough desire to stop them?

I could have sworn it was the extra 2 or 3 inches.

I don't get it with questioning the desire with this team. At all. Dear God, look what they signed up for! It's so much effort I worry that it's too much and that's why they're already getting tired.


The petty is the point. For some reason, this poster took everything the Harpers did as a great personal insult. The butthurt is a bottomless pit.

Also you’re the one butthurt about the Harpers. They were awful coaches. They were fired because of it. Those of you who continually defend them because Kellie is a LVFL do not live in reality.

 

[glv98]

Yes actually that’s exactly what I think. She has to position herself better, anticipate better, rotate faster and make them uncomfortable. She did none of that.

She’s actually a better perimeter defender than post defender and that has to improve. I believe she only had 2 boards last night as well. Again, that’s a lack of desire with her height and athelticism.

Boyd is a great rebounder for her size on desire, timing and positioning alone.

Our definitions of effort are different. What you're describing is learning and experience. And skill level. Every player trys to do everything you said on defense and rebounding and makes the best effort they're capable of to do it. To varying degrees of success.

I've always had a thing about accusing players of lack of effort. Espec these players! It's another place that this forum lives on a whole different planet from the athletes' actual experience. And its effing as insulting as it gets.

 

[VolBall09]

Our definitions of effort are different. What you're describing is learning and experience. And skill level. Every player trys to do everything you said on defense and rebounding and makes the best effort they're capable of to do it. To varying degrees of success.

I've always had a thing about accusing players of lack of effort. Espec these players! It's another place that this forum lives on a whole different planet from the athletes' actual experience. And its effing as insulting as it gets.

Yeah different.

 

[glv98]

Yeah different.

You think Zee is just lazy?

I've never gotten that from her.

 

[VolBall09]

In You think Zee is just lazy?

I've never gotten that from her.

No, I don’t think she’s lazy at all. But she has to put effort into playing defense the right way.

About 5 times last night she was the third person guarding the ball and left her man wide open.

Numerous times she has closed on a 3 point shooter leaving her man wide open in the paint. (This was actually usually Puckett or Darbys fault not rotating properly on the perimeter and leaving wing/corner 3s open).

She doesn’t do her post defense work early, tries to recover at the last second and fouls or gives up the easy two. She should never have been letting Smuda get to her spot. Meet her at the free throw line, make contact, make her uncomfortable. Also halves the distance if you need to recover to the perimeter and help. Smuda didn’t take a shot over 2’ last night besides one baseline J. Make her catch in the high post where she isn’t comfortable. That’s going to creates turnovers because she’s going to put it down and get it stolen by our guards or make a bad pass out.

 

[glv98]

No, I don’t think she’s lazy at all. But she has to put effort into playing defense the right way.

"effort into playing defense the right way" = learning, practice, and experience. Which I'm sure she's working tirelessly at.

Nothing to do w her personal effort as most fans think of it. That's a loaded term, as you well know.

 

[VolBall09]

"effort into playing defense the right way" = learning, practice, and experience. Nothing to do w her personal effort as most fans think of it. You know well that's a loaded term.

They don’t need you to be their white knight with blue hair. Jesus.

Some of you have always had a terrible time with constructive criticism on here. I imagine you’re the same way in your working life.

Feedback is feedback. You take it, improve and get better. Or you get offended, stay the same and ultimately fail.

 

[Majors]

Or perhaps the absolute truth. There is such a thing.

Absolute or just want you want to hear?

 

[lvocd]

No, I don’t think she’s lazy at all. But she has to put effort into playing defense the right way.

About 5 times last night she was the third person guarding the ball and left her man wide open.

Numerous times she has closed on a 3 point shooter leaving her man wide open in the paint. (This was actually usually Puckett or Darbys fault not rotating properly on the perimeter and leaving wing/corner 3s open).

She doesn’t do her post defense work early, tries to recover at the last second and fouls or gives up the easy two. She should never have been letting Smuda get to her spot. Meet her at the free throw line, make contact, make her uncomfortable. Also halves the distance if you need to recover to the perimeter and help. Smuda didn’t take a shot over 2’ last night besides one baseline J. Make her catch in the high post where she isn’t comfortable. That’s going to creates turnovers because she’s going to put it down and get it stolen by our guards or make a bad pass out.

Being unsure of what to do and being slow to decide/react is not a function of effort and desire.

I'll give an out-there example from my past life. I used to be an official "end of race hugger" for my local annual Special Olympics big day. The athletes were absolutely bubbly with excitement and desire to compete. Always giving their best, and always so happy to cross the finish line and throw their arms around my neck for their hug.

Every athlete did their very best, but even in SO there are obvious differences in skill levels, as well as genetic differences that affected performance. But no one had any more desire, or put forth any more effort, than anyone else.

I am NOT making a direct comparison between Special Olympics athletes and P4 Division 1 athletes. Of course not. But the effort and desire aspect can sorta be compared in that sometimes an athlete can have all the desire in the world, but if for whatever reason they haven't learned the skills well enough to confidently do them without hesitation, it doesn't mean they're not trying or don't want to do it.

 

[Hexad Vol]

In my opinion, those saying Kellie Harper was a terrible coach are a little bit off. At UT, she won over 2/3 of the games she coached. That's not terrible. It's actually pretty good! It seems that pretty good was not good enough for Danny White though and even though Kellie is my favorite all-time Lady Vol player and I supported her strongly, I reluctantly had to agree. I am really liking CKC and what she is bringing to the program and I will strongly support her unless she gives me some reason not to.

 

[Majors]

In my opinion, those saying Kellie Harper was a terrible coach are a little bit off. At UT, she won over 2/3 of the games she coached. That's not terrible. It's actually pretty good! It seems that pretty good was not good enough for Danny White though and even though Kellie is my favorite all-time Lady Vol player and I supported her strongly, I reluctantly had to agree. I am really liking CKC and what she is bringing to the program and I will strongly support her unless she gives me some reason not to.

She was abysmal in the games that matter. No need to mention her history prior to Tennessee that alluded to her not being successful here

 

[Hexad Vol]

We seem to have a different perception of abysmal but that's OK. The majority of schools in the NCAA would be happy with winning over 2/3 of their games, even some in the SEC. The Lady Vol standard is higher than that though.

 

[VolBall09]

Being unsure of what to do and being slow to decide/react is not a function of effort and desire.

I'll give an out-there example from my past life. I used to be an official "end of race hugger" for my local annual Special Olympics big day. The athletes were absolutely bubbly with excitement and desire to compete. Always giving their best, and always so happy to cross the finish line and throw their arms around my neck for their hug.

Every athlete did their very best, but even in SO there are obvious differences in skill levels, as well as genetic differences that affected performance. But no one had any more desire, or put forth any more effort, than anyone else.

I am NOT making a direct comparison between Special Olympics athletes and P4 Division 1 athletes. Of course not. But the effort and desire aspect can sorta be compared in that sometimes an athlete can have all the desire in the world, but if for whatever reason they haven't learned the skills well enough to confidently do them without hesitation, it doesn't mean they're not trying or don't want to do it.

We just have a very different view on this. Trying hard does not equal effort.

Do you want a surgeon who is trying hard to do your surgery the right way? Or one who has put the time and effort into KNOWING he/she is doing it the right way?

This isn’t surgery, but that’s an analogy to my point. Running around like a chicken with your head cut off and trying hard while out of position >50% of the time is not effort. It’s a mess.

Putting in the effort to be in the right spot, at the right time doing your job the right way it where they need to be headed.

 

[Majors]

We seem to have a different perception of abysmal but that's OK. The majority of schools in the NCAA would be happy with winning over 2/3 of their games, even some in the SEC. The Lady Vol standard is higher than that though.

She was 12-37 against ranked teams, that’s abysmal. Majority of AD’s aren’t happy winning 1/3 of those games.

 

[Coach Jumper]

In my opinion, those saying Kellie Harper was a terrible coach are a little bit off. At UT, she won over 2/3 of the games she coached. That's not terrible. It's actually pretty good! It seems that pretty good was not good enough for Danny White though and even though Kellie is my favorite all-time Lady Vol player and I supported her strongly, I reluctantly had to agree. I am really liking CKC and what she is bringing to the program and I will strongly support her unless she gives me some reason not to.

Not terrible, but indeed over her head bc,,,when it came down to equal-to or greater-than opponents and coaching matchups, Kellie and her team was out-performed consistently.

There are saituations where your team is so talented it can hide weaknesses,,,but when those situations where you are weak happen,,,you get exposed quickly...Kellie could not design an offense and she could not change her game-plan from its initial structure on the fly.

Much is being and will be revealed in the coming months re Coach Kim in this aspect. Right now her players could go out there with no coach on the bench and win games. And I do not say this to insult Coach Caldwell. YOU SIMPLY have to see that his is true.

I am a coach. I post as a coach and I try not to let my undeniable bias towards TN as a program influence my posting as an unbiased coach,,,that said,,,If I begin to see the opposing coach dictate pace and matchups and see how Kim counters that,,,that will be when I reach my next tier in determining we have the right coach.

And most coaches I give four years before I make this decision,,,But with CKC, she already has her hand-picked staff, and, per next year's already determined roster,

she has only two players that played prior to her arrival (Strickland and Wynn...Boyd and Cooper were here but did not play prior to CKC's arrival).....That said, her timeline for me to not have holdover players is cut in half).

I like coach Caldwell and truly TRULY hope for her and wish her unparalleled success...But I am a coach first and WILL BE hardest on the area in which I am most knowledgeable

 

[madtownvol]

Our definitions of effort are different. What you're describing is learning and experience. And skill level. Every player trys to do everything you said on defense and rebounding and makes the best effort they're capable of to do it. To varying degrees of success.

I've always had a thing about accusing players of lack of effort. Espec these players! It's another place that this forum lives on a whole different planet from the athletes' actual experience. And its effing as insulting as it gets.

Hey, if Edie Darby had just been willing to put in more effort, I am sure she could have shut down Cardosa last season. Just sheer laziness to settle for being 5'4.

 

[Mafiaboss]

In my opinion, those saying Kellie Harper was a terrible coach are a little bit off. At UT, she won over 2/3 of the games she coached. That's not terrible. It's actually pretty good! It seems that pretty good was not good enough for Danny White though and even though Kellie is my favorite all-time Lady Vol player and I supported her strongly, I reluctantly had to agree. I am really liking CKC and what she is bringing to the program and I will strongly support her unless she gives me some reason not to.

I think the article is on ESPN, but in it, Danny explains that when he told Kellie she was out, he told her that if she were coaching at any other SEC team, her coaching would be good enough. Lady Vols, though, have a different standard.

 

[Coach Jumper]

I think the article is on ESPN, but in it, Danny explains that when he told Kellie she was out, he told her that if she were coaching at any other SEC team, her coaching would be good enough. Lady Vols, though, have a different standard.

now THAT is something Danny and I totally agree on

good enough ain't good enough

 

[AllVols3]

Not surprisingly, you missed the point. The thread isn’t about “a factual discourse over an abject failure of a coach”. It’s about the commitment of a great player. Let me try to simplify my point. If you want to criticize prior coaches, do it in a separate thread rather than backhandedly doing it in a thread about a great new recruit.

Criticize to your hearts content but do it in a thread for that topic. Be brave about it rather than try to to sneak it in where it isn’t warranted.

Well said!!

 

[dtnvol]

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I can't get enough of watching this young lady's youtube footage...totally awesome...If you haven't watched yet, please do so...it's not about who's she playing, it's about her skill set, hands, instinct, ball handling, shooting, court awareness, and DEFENSE!! she's a gem LVFL

 

[#1LVLS MAN 4 LIFE]

Welcome to Rocky Top Jaida Civil, greatest success here at Tenneessee. This staff is really putting a team together that will be highly competitive and fun to watcch, great work Coach Caldwell and staff. Go Lady Vols.

 

[newladyvolfan]

now THAT is something Danny and I totally agree on

good enough ain't good enough

She is better than Georgia, Arkansas, and Missouri, and Auburn