Jacquez Jones, other WRs quickly connect with 'player coach' Beard

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Darth_Shiveman said:
Smashed burgers let you get a nice crispy outer layer while losing less of that sweet, juicy fat than grilled burgers.

You can get a nice smokey flavor with a grilled burger, but they often end up being kind of dry.
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I was jk man. This isnt a burger thread lol
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Smashed burgers let you get a nice crispy outer layer while losing less of that sweet, juicy fat than grilled burgers.

You can get a nice smokey flavor with a grilled burger, but they often end up being kind of dry.
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Not if one knows how to grill them. However, I have grown to like pan fried burgers better. I don't EVER smash a burger during he cooking process, on the grill or in a pan.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Not if one knows how to grill them. However, I have grown to like pan fried burgers better. I don't EVER smash a burger during he cooking process, on the grill or in a pan.
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I like burgers on the grill also, I just think the smashed ones on a griddle are the way to go. You ultimately get a better depth of flavor because you can get a nice sear on the burger. You never should smash a burger on the grill though, of course. But there is a difference between smashing a burger in the middle of the cooking process and making a "smashed burger."


I highly suggest trying out making a smashed burger sometime on a cast iron pan or griddle of some sort.

The trick is to just loosely form a ball of ground beef (not a patty), put it on a scorching hot pan or griddle (cast iron works best), then smash it flat. Hit the top of the burger with whatever seasoning tickles your fancy (really a bit of salt, pepper, and maybe some garlic powder is all you'll need), then let it cook like that for about a minute and half or two. Then flip it (and make sure you press down the spatula nice and hard because some of the meat will want to stick to the pan) and cook for another 30-90 seconds.

If you do it right, the juices cook up through the burger instead of out of the burger and the side smashed into the griddle will get a really great tasting sear. The great thing about this method is that, compared to methods where you form a patty and then cook in a pan or on a grill, you actually lose less of the fat and juice because the bottom sears so nicely and locks in a lot of the juices that would escape during other cooking methods.
 
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StoVol said:
You missed the point and reverted to insults when I was just pointing out that there is a basis for values or there is not. The proponents of naturalism and materialism cannot claim on scientific grounds that there is a basis for those values, so the fact that you claim to have them is incongruous with your belief system. That is the illogical inconsistency I was pointing out, among your believers a murderer or a saint have no real meaning. It's just molecules doing what they do.
Both sides believe in miracles, never delude yourself about that. The universe was either created or or popped into existence from nothing. I don't judge you for it. Fine tuning of initial conditions, the cosmic microwave background radiation, initial entropy, carbon resonance, proton to electron ratio, and many other examples so precisely fine tuned that it seems a super intellect has monkeyed with the physics, as well as chemistry and biology, so as to put the matter almost beyond belief. The inference to the best explanation to the origin of information would be to known causes now in operation, i.e. A mind
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You are trying too hard. No need to go for the most esoteric examples to make your point. It closes dialogue without proving your point. And Im conversant in the physical reference points used.

I'm not going to argue any of these issues, for or against, on a football forum but you sound like the Colonel Sanders guy in the last 15 minutes of the Matrix trilogy.
 

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Well, maybe all the Christian witnessing posts to this thread have kept the negavols from posting their dooms upon any coaching staff assembled and led by Butch Jones, whom they expect and want fired after an 8-4 2017 season.
 
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Tin Man said:
Well, maybe all the Christian witnessing posts to this thread have kept the negavols from posting their dooms upon any coaching staff assembled and led by Butch Jones, whom they expect and want fired after an 8-4 2017 season.
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Lol.
 
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How else is it possible to take a positive quote about a coach's faith having a positive impact on a player? Good grief. Let's take the good news and accept the actual reality of this specific situation instead having academic exercises of whether x, y, or z would be better, worse, or equal. It doesn't matter if you think Beard's faith is irrelevant or this or that would work just as well culturally. That's not reality. Reality is that he is an openly Christian player coach who the WRs seem to embrace and appreciate. That's good.
 
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sameolvol said:
When you're referring to my best friend, you need to capitalize His name. Are you inferring we need an atheistic culture? Many of us on VN disagree quite a bit, but...thank the Lord... most of us recognize that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior of anyone who accepts Him into their/our lives. You?
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sameolvol said:
BINGO! You nailed it. Now learn to pray and figure out the rest.
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This is dog**** served on a silver platter. Atheism is inadequate and you must refer to Him properly... now learn to pray and figure out the rest!!

How about you learn how to read books that are backed up by empirical evidence, mathematical proofs, statistical inference, and rigorous peer review. How about you try to find real answers to hard questions rather than insulting atheists and spewing your fictitious beliefs on a football forum.

I would love to see you try to explain how an atheistic coach would be inadequate compared to a theistic (or more specifically, Christian) coach.
 
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StoVol said:
1. If God does not exist, objective moral values do not exist.

2. Objective moral values do exist.

3. Therefore, God exists
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You can't prove God exists at all, certainly not by demonstrating that objective morality exists (sidebar note: it doesn't), and your premises do not provide a demonstration necessary to satisfy a proof of any kind.

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Famous philosophical argument for a Creator. I think the ontological, teleological, and scientific arguments for God are quite interesting. John Lenox and William Lane Craig destroying atheists in debates is quite enlightening. I remember a hidden camera vid of Christopher Hitchens in a cab where someone asked him what is the one argument that makes you second guess atheism? And he replies that it would be the "fine tuning" Luke Barnes wrote a book recently with an atheist giving counterpoints about this recently, very interesting subject
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We don't have scientific answers for some of the questions asked by fine tuning, but that doesn't meant there aren't scientific answers. You're transforming fine tuning into a God-of-the-gaps argument. If you fill in the blank answers with "God did it," then your framework is now inconsistent (all answers can be true or false, since God is omnipotent). Since our universe is a consistent framework, this fine tuning explanation is insufficient just by virtue of what it is suggesting.

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You missed the point and reverted to insults when I was just pointing out that there is a basis for values or there is not. The proponents of naturalism and materialism cannot claim on scientific grounds that there is a basis for those values, so the fact that you claim to have them is incongruous with your belief system. That is the illogical inconsistency I was pointing out, among your believers a murderer or a saint have no real meaning. It's just molecules doing what they do.
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This is so intellectually dishonest it hurts. Why would you spread such blatant misinformation? You can be atheistic and have a consistent moral and ethical framework just like any theistic person would. I suppose what you are failing to convey is whether or not the claim is for an absolute or relative framework, which is a pointless distinction. Christians and other theistic believers may claim an absolute moral framework through their God, but it's just belief. If it were absolute and true, anyone would be able to observe or experience it. Since we currently and have always defined our morals and ethics based on subjective human experience (usually for the betterment of an entitled elite, more recently in history for the greater good of society and individuals), the only framework we have ever known or will know is that of a subjective morality. To think that atheists are "believers" in the coalescence of values by actions between a murderer and a saint is just the twisted words of a sick mind, and you're the one who said it.

StoVol said:
Both sides believe in miracles, never delude yourself about that. The universe was either created or or popped into existence from nothing. I don't judge you for it. Fine tuning of initial conditions, the cosmic microwave background radiation, initial entropy, carbon resonance, proton to electron ratio, and many other examples so precisely fine tuned that it seems a super intellect has monkeyed with the physics, as well as chemistry and biology, so as to put the matter almost beyond belief. The inference to the best explanation to the origin of information would be to known causes now in operation, i.e. A mind
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Any scientist who claims to believe in miracles doesn't understand probability, and neither do you. The Big Bang is not just us popping into the universe. Fine tuning as a God-of-the-gaps position is insufficient and inconsistent. There is no certainty in the inference of the meaning of the structures of our universe.

Why post all of this misinformation across multiple fields trying to plead altruism while kicking atheists and creating false equivalences. I know, God sent you here to post all of this. Fine tuning at work right here on volnation. Maybe God will also give the vols a natty this year. I'm gonna hedge my bets on strength & conditioning, training, weightlifting, strategy, coaching, dedication, motivation, and a myriad of other factors that are well explained and studied, rather than a God-of-the-gaps just being on our side this year.
 
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Come on guys, take it somewhere else. This is a Football Forum thread about Jones and Beard, not a Christians vs Athiests thread. There are other places on VolNation, where u can debate this subject. Please
 
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WTH is going on here? I thought this was a thread about our coach and players connecting? Don't we have other forums for the last several pages of BS?
 
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techdude2017 said:
This is dog**** served on a silver platter. Atheism is inadequate and you must refer to Him properly... now learn to pray and figure out the rest!!

How about you learn how to read books that are backed up by empirical evidence, mathematical proofs, statistical inference, and rigorous peer review. How about you try to find real answers to hard questions rather than insulting atheists and spewing your fictitious beliefs on a football forum.

I would love to see you try to explain how an atheistic coach would be inadequate compared to a theistic (or more specifically, Christian) coach.
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For someone who doesn't want atheist insulted, you sure do spew the hate. Practice what you preach.
 
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