I've about had all I can stand to watch of our Defense

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Lord how mercy we suck in the defensive department. I've been a Vol fan since the early 70's and I don't ever remember being worried about going on defense because I didn't figure we could stop anybody.

First of all we've not had DB's worth 2 hoots since the NFL took our receivers and we moved the DB's to offense. I don't remember what year it was but the year Donte' Stallworth bugged out. Since then we for whatever reason haven't been able to recruit the speed and talent for the job. Whatever happened to our DB's the likes of Carl Pickens, Dale Carter, Dion Grant, Terry Fair, Chis White, and Carlton Peoples?

Our linebackers have been mediocre at best over the last several years and the defensive line sucks.

Is the problem recruiting? Coaching? I figure it has to be a combination of the two, but Chavis has been there since I graduated in the early 90's. You'd think he still knows how to coach a defense.

That 4th quarter against Kentucky was horrible beyond words. Instead of our defense pressuring the QB and making the receivers miserable we are having to rely on the luck of a penalty or interception to stop drives.

Anybody remember when we were having to design plays to hide Dale Jones? Whatever happened to our Butkus Award candidate linebacking corps the likes of Raynock Thompson, Leonard Little, Eric Westmoreland, Keith Delong, and Ben Tally.

We use to be noted as Wide Receiver U, but that's not the case anymore. Back in those days our Receivers went both ways in most cases and played as DB's. Most were also track stars. I think the track component is missing on the DB's and the receivers and should be mandatory today.

Kentucky should never be allowed to score 31 points. That responsibility is the Defensive Coordinator. I believe that Chavis either needs significant help getting some athletes that can play and want to play or if it's not the case that he's not got the athletes to worry about, we need a new DC.

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Wow, there are too many vastly over the top ridiculous comments in there for me to address.
 
#4
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Didn't we just lose 3 really good receivers last year? Seems like we've been okay there until this year, and those guys are getting better. Bad linebackers? Did you not see Jerod Mayo on Saturday? Btw...Carl Pickens wasn't a DB, he was a WR who could play DB if needed.
 
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Leave him alone guys ....he has a point. Hope it let's our guys know what we think of them:eek:k:
 
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KYSkipper said:
Kentucky should never be allowed to score 31 points.
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I'm not touching the rest of your post, but Kentucky scored more than 31 points 8 times out of 12 this year and also did it against Florida and LSU. I guess the Wildcats didn't get the memo that they are awful.
 
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I heard that UT's offense is suing the defense for lack of support. Is this true?
 
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VolsRule said:
I heard that UT's offense is suing the defense for lack of support. Is this true?
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If anything, the second halves of SC and UK would indicate the opposite. Our defense is VERY YOUNG and VERY TALENTED. Look at NCAAF as a whole, the league scoring avg is up tremendously. They have played their hearts out and only gotten into trouble when they've spent 20 min. on the field in 2nd halves. They get better every single week. Unfortunately we did not make aggressive play calls against UK in the 2nd half and we were put in that very situation Saturday. However, they stepped up didn't allow a TD in regulation, and never gave up in OT.

I AM SO FREAKING EXCITED ABOUT OUR DEFENSE'S GROWTH THIS YEAR.
 
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KYSkipper said:
Lord how mercy we suck in the defensive department. I've been a Vol fan since the early 70's and I don't ever remember being worried about going on defense because I didn't figure we could stop anybody.

First of all we've not had DB's worth 2 hoots since the NFL took our receivers and we moved the DB's to offense. I don't remember what year it was but the year Donte' Stallworth bugged out. Since then we for whatever reason haven't been able to recruit the speed and talent for the job. Whatever happened to our DB's the likes of Carl Pickens, Dale Carter, Dion Grant, Terry Fair, Chis White, and Carlton Peoples?

Our linebackers have been mediocre at best over the last several years and the defensive line sucks.

Is the problem recruiting? Coaching? I figure it has to be a combination of the two, but Chavis has been there since I graduated in the early 90's. You'd think he still knows how to coach a defense.

That 4th quarter against Kentucky was horrible beyond words. Instead of our defense pressuring the QB and making the receivers miserable we are having to rely on the luck of a penalty or interception to stop drives.

Anybody remember when we were having to design plays to hide Dale Jones? Whatever happened to our Butkus Award candidate linebacking corps the likes of Raynock Thompson, Leonard Little, Eric Westmoreland, Keith Delong, and Ben Tally.

We use to be noted as Wide Receiver U, but that's not the case anymore. Back in those days our Receivers went both ways in most cases and played as DB's. Most were also track stars. I think the track component is missing on the DB's and the receivers and should be mandatory today.

Kentucky should never be allowed to score 31 points. That responsibility is the Defensive Coordinator. I believe that Chavis either needs significant help getting some athletes that can play and want to play or if it's not the case that he's not got the athletes to worry about, we need a new DC.

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Jason Allen, Johnathan Wade anyone?

I've seen some pretty stupid things on this board but this might take the cake.
 
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Carl Pickens didn't lead the team in 89 in interceptions only occasionally playing db. He went both ways most of the time.

Look at what our defense has gave up this year.

Cal - 45 pts
Fla - 59
Arkansas State - 27
Bama - 41 (I didn't know Alabama could score 41 points)
SC - 24
Vandy - 24
Kentucky - 50

4 games out of 12 total more points given away than normal for a year. Remember when we scoffed at Hal Mumme coming in and trying to out score everyone and forgetting to play defense? How many big games did he win?

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AndyKellyJ said:
If anything, the second halves of SC and UK would indicate the opposite. Our defense is VERY YOUNG and VERY TALENTED. Look at NCAAF as a whole, the league scoring avg is up tremendously. They have played their hearts out and only gotten into trouble when they've spent 20 min. on the field in 2nd halves. They get better every single week. Unfortunately we did not make aggressive play calls against UK in the 2nd half and we were put in that very situation Saturday. However, they stepped up didn't allow a TD in regulation, and never gave up in OT.

I AM SO FREAKING EXCITED ABOUT OUR DEFENSE'S GROWTH THIS YEAR.
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I agree, the Defense didn't get squat for help from the offense in the 4th quarter. The offense ran about 9 plays couldn't move the ball and left the D on the field the entire time. One thing that would help the D tremendously would be to put the ball back on the ground 3 yards in a cloud and keep it away from the opponent. That was the flaw in Mumme's scheme.

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KYSkipper said:
Carl Pickens didn't lead the team in 89 in interceptions only occasionally playing db. He went both ways most of the time.

Look at what our defense has gave up this year.

Cal - 45 pts
Fla - 59
Arkansas State - 27
Bama - 41 (I didn't know Alabama could score 41 points)
SC - 24
Vandy - 24
Kentucky - 50

4 games out of 12 total more points given away than normal for a year. Remember when we scoffed at Hal Mumme coming in and trying to out score everyone and forgetting to play defense? How many big games did he win?

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You should throw out the 50 by KY as that was 4OTs, then consider the improvement over time.
 
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KYSkipper said:
Lord how mercy we suck in the defensive department. I've been a Vol fan since the early 70's and I don't ever remember being worried about going on defense because I didn't figure we could stop anybody.

First of all we've not had DB's worth 2 hoots since the NFL took our receivers and we moved the DB's to offense. I don't remember what year it was but the year Donte' Stallworth bugged out. Since then we for whatever reason haven't been able to recruit the speed and talent for the job. Whatever happened to our DB's the likes of Carl Pickens, Dale Carter, Dion Grant, Terry Fair, Chis White, and Carlton Peoples?

Our linebackers have been mediocre at best over the last several years and the defensive line sucks.

Is the problem recruiting? Coaching? I figure it has to be a combination of the two, but Chavis has been there since I graduated in the early 90's. You'd think he still knows how to coach a defense.

That 4th quarter against Kentucky was horrible beyond words. Instead of our defense pressuring the QB and making the receivers miserable we are having to rely on the luck of a penalty or interception to stop drives.

Anybody remember when we were having to design plays to hide Dale Jones? Whatever happened to our Butkus Award candidate linebacking corps the likes of Raynock Thompson, Leonard Little, Eric Westmoreland, Keith Delong, and Ben Tally.

We use to be noted as Wide Receiver U, but that's not the case anymore. Back in those days our Receivers went both ways in most cases and played as DB's. Most were also track stars. I think the track component is missing on the DB's and the receivers and should be mandatory today.

Kentucky should never be allowed to score 31 points. That responsibility is the Defensive Coordinator. I believe that Chavis either needs significant help getting some athletes that can play and want to play or if it's not the case that he's not got the athletes to worry about, we need a new DC.

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KYskipper, relax, breath in, breath out, go to a happy place in your mind and think happy thoughts! If that doesn't work I advixe you start drinking heavily!:naughty:
 
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I'll have to say that I definitely think our DBs play too soft in that sorry prevent defense. 5, 6, 7, and even sometimes 8-10 yards for the taking by enemy WRs.

Get up on the WRs and don't let them have anything they don't absolutely earn!!!!!!!
 
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AndyKellyJ said:
If anything, the second halves of SC and UK would indicate the opposite. Our defense is VERY YOUNG and VERY TALENTED. Look at NCAAF as a whole, the league scoring avg is up tremendously. They have played their hearts out and only gotten into trouble when they've spent 20 min. on the field in 2nd halves. They get better every single week. Unfortunately we did not make aggressive play calls against UK in the 2nd half and we were put in that very situation Saturday. However, they stepped up didn't allow a TD in regulation, and never gave up in OT.

I AM SO FREAKING EXCITED ABOUT OUR DEFENSE'S GROWTH THIS YEAR.
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QFE...
I agree wholeheartedly. It sure hurts to watch them give the opponent's wideouts a 15-yard cushion in the 4th quarter.

Eric Berry will be fun to watch next year. Fulmer has to be thankful that Berry's dad is a Vol.
 
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Our D was great in the 90's because we never saw a spread offense in the 90's. Plain and simple, Chavis doesn't know how to coach a defense to defend against the spread offense. If a team plays a spread offense during the entire game, i.e. Florida, Bama, Cal, we get hosed from the start. When a team changes to the spread offense at halftime to try to catch up, i.e. South Carolina, Kentucky, we get hosed starting at halftime. When a team doesn't go into a spread, i.e. Arkansas, Miss St, UGA, we win big. Even when Vandy started spreading the offense in the first half they did well. Why they abandoned that scheme I have no idea.

When you use a 90's defensive scheme against teams using a modern offense, it simply doesn't work. That's why the spread was invented in the first place, because a team could slice through 90's style defenses so easily.

Couple this fact with a bunch of freshmen DB's, and you have already seen the result.
 
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duckman398686 said:
the defense has drastically improved since opening day
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Not against the spread it hasn't. I agree with you when it comes to run defense, they have vastly improved! But against the spread as in the Kentucky game, they look confused and play with a lack of confidence.

Hopefully, we won't see too much of the spread against LSU.
 
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gsb0824 said:
Not against the spread it hasn't. I agree with you when it comes to run defense, they have vastly improved! But against the spread as in the Kentucky game, they look confused and play with a lack of confidence.

Hopefully, we won't see too much of the spread against LSU.
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i disagree. against cali and florida and even alabama it seemed like everybody in the secondary was getting burnt. that hasn't happened as freuquently as the season has progressed. willingham was the one that was giving up the majority of the big plays this past saturday. plus we got a bunch of coverage sacks in the game and thats huge. you didn't see that earlier in the season. they're still not where they need to be. but they're still not in as bad of a shape as they were in either.
 
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