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Obama Youth Brigade: Church Attendance Forbidden

Now we have HR 1388. The Bill was sponsored by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) with 37 others. The Bill was introduced to the floor of the House of Representatives where both Republicans and Democrats voted 321-105 in favor. Next it goes to the Senate for a vote and then on to President Obama.

This bill’s title is called “Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education” (GIVE). It forms what some are calling “Obama’s Youth Brigade.” Obama’s plan is require anyone receiving school loans and others to serve at least three months as part of the brigade. His goal is one million youth! This has serious Nazi Germany overtones to it.

The Bill would forbid any student in the brigade to participate in “engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.”

That means no church attendance or witnessing.
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I doubt this will go over well with Tebow. :unsure:

Update: Bill passed in Senate March 26th, 2009.

Update: April 1st, 2009.
In the GIVE legislation, SEC. 1304. Section 125 was repealed in it's entirety from the bill. People who opposed the restrictions on church attendance rejoiced.

However, closer examination reveals that the text listing Prohibited Activities was inserted further down in the bill in SEC. 1310 SEC 132A in it's entirety with the addition of even one more prohibited activity.
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This is in the bill;

"‘(11) Carrying out such other activities as the Corporation may prohibit."

This legislation can't be constitutional, no way.

Now we live in the United States Corporation of America?? USCA.

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I wonder if the young comrades will be issued a shovel?
 
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Does the bill prohibit doing those things as part of your volunteerism (i.e., what you count as your service hours) or in general? My guess is the former....
 
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TennTradition said:
Does the bill prohibit doing those things as part of your volunteerism (i.e., what you count as your service hours) or in general? My guess is the former....
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It is only prohibiting church activities as counting as service hours.

It looks like the Repubs got one clause in:

‘(10) Conducting a voter registration drive or using Corporation funds to conduct a voter registration drive.'

Sorry Acorn
 
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obama is a socialist and this proves it, but we'll have WestTn, and LG defending him til the end
 
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so they're receiving gov't money and the gov't is placing requirements on what they must do to receive that money? Trying to figure out what I'm missing
 
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While religious centers are areas of already high volunteer rates, what are the other problems with allowing religious volunteerism to count? I understand that you might end up with a situation where you don't increase the amount of volunteering going on if you allow it - but are they also concerned about separation issues? I don't see allowing religious volunteerism to qualify as being an issue of government in the church...
 
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TennTradition said:
While religious centers are areas of already high volunteer rates, what are the other problems with allowing religious volunteerism to count? I understand that you might end up with a situation where you don't increase the amount of volunteering going on if you allow it - but are they also concerned about separation issues? I don't see allowing religious volunteerism to qualify as being an issue of government in the church...
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when they start giving out money it's never that easy. The ability to funnel money to supporters of a certain religious group could (and probably would) come in to play. Easiest way to keep people from screaming discrimination is to eliminate it from the start.

Again, I'm still not sure I get the bad part the OP was going for
 
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utvolpj said:
when they start giving out money it's never that easy. The ability to funnel money to supporters of a certain religious group could (and probably would) come in to play. Easiest way to keep people from screaming discrimination is to eliminate it from the start.

Again, I'm still not sure I get the bad part the OP was going for
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The blog tries to slant it as forbidding volunteers in this program from going to church - and that is clearly not what it is doing.

While I understand what you are saying about people complaining...that will happen anyway. I guess you could claim that going out onto the street to preach some Scientology madness is volunteerism...which would obviously be a problem.

Would going through a church to run a food bank be allowed under this?
 
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I have gsvol on my ignore list so can't read it. Is there just a link? (Without gs' commentary, naturally)
 
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utvolpj said:
when they start giving out money it's never that easy. The ability to funnel money to supporters of a certain religious group could (and probably would) come in to play. Easiest way to keep people from screaming discrimination is to eliminate it from the start.

Again, I'm still not sure I get the bad part the OP was going for
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You realize who you are talking about, right?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I have gsvol on my ignore list so can't read it. Is there just a link? (Without gs' commentary, naturally)
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if you think that the democratic party doesn't hates Christianity, this is just one of many many examples.

the fact is that the democratic party have become the party that hates traditional values. it's sad that so many sheep vote democrat.

i agree that Republicans shouldn't have voted for it. i'm sure no one read it. dems are only as powerful as those who oppose them.

actually, if you think about it. most people who volunteer for this, vote demcratic and how many democrats really attend church.
 
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joevol...what is your biggest problem with it? Do you find it offensive or a problem that volunteers can't count their hours in service to a religious entity toward their volunteer hours? Would you argue that this type of service should count within the context of this volunteer program? The bill clearly doesn't prevent those who participate in the volunteer program from going to church - they just can't count those hours as service hours if, for example, they teach Sunday school.

I can kind of see this in some ways...I would personally have an issue if someone were allowed to volunteer for a radical Islamic organization by standing on the street corner offering their religious "instruction" that all Christians are infidels and should die. On the other hand, if a Islamic (or Christian, or Jewish, etc.) organization wanted to offer a food bank to spread the word of charitable giving taught in their religion, then I wouldn't be upset if these hours were allowed to be counted.
 
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joevol320 said:
if you think that the democratic party doesn't hates Christianity, this is just one of many many examples.

the fact is that the democratic party have become the party that hates traditional values. it's sad that so many sheep vote democrat.

i agree that Republicans shouldn't have voted for it. i'm sure no one read it. dems are only as powerful as those who oppose them.

actually, if you think about it. most people who volunteer for this, vote demcratic and how many democrats really attend church.
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I missed the mention of Christianity in the bill so could you link it for me?
 
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There is only one area that I could see being a problem. It mentioned that there could be no prosthelization. Would that mean that anyone who casually mentions to their friends in the program about their faith and talks to them about Christ or Allah or whoever might be in violation of this rule and lose membership or benefits from the membership? If so I believe this is wrong.
 
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TennTradition said:
joevol...what is your biggest problem with it? Do you find it offensive or a problem that volunteers can't count their hours in service to a religious entity toward their volunteer hours? Would you argue that this type of service should count within the context of this volunteer program? The bill clearly doesn't prevent those who participate in the volunteer program from going to church - they just can't count those hours as service hours if, for example, they teach Sunday school.

I can kind of see this in some ways...I would personally have an issue if someone were allowed to volunteer for a radical Islamic organization by standing on the street corner offering their religious "instruction" that all Christians are infidels and should die. On the other hand, if a Islamic (or Christian, or Jewish, etc.) organization wanted to offer a food bank to spread the word of charitable giving taught in their religion, then I wouldn't be upset if these hours were allowed to be counted.
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yeah, God forbid someone get credit by the government for going to church or being religious. libs are a pathetic group.
 
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The langiuage cited in the article simply does not match the conclusion.

It doesn't say you can't go to church. It says you can't count working on a church or missionary work or the like as your volunteer hours. This is doubtless born of a church and state mixing issue. You can argue about the wisdom of that, of course, but once again we have some shrill claim by the right that just isn't accurate.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The langiuage cited in the article simply does not match the conclusion.

It doesn't say you can't go to church. It says you can't count working on a church or missionary work or the like as your volunteer hours. This is doubtless born of a church and state mixing issue. You can argue about the wisdom of that, of course, but once again we have some shrill claim by the right that just isn't accurate.
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I suppose if one author on one website and one poster on Volnation constitute enough to fully represent "the right", we can go ahead and assume that the left is a congregation of morons that make wild assumptions about Republicans that they can't back up.
 
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I believe the original idea for this bill that was introduced a few years ago involved mandatory servitude from all of America's youth.
 
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TennTradition said:
joevol...what is your biggest problem with it? Do you find it offensive or a problem that volunteers can't count their hours in service to a religious entity toward their volunteer hours? Would you argue that this type of service should count within the context of this volunteer program? The bill clearly doesn't prevent those who participate in the volunteer program from going to church - they just can't count those hours as service hours if, for example, they teach Sunday school.

I can kind of see this in some ways...I would personally have an issue if someone were allowed to volunteer for a radical Islamic organization by standing on the street corner offering their religious "instruction" that all Christians are infidels and should die. On the other hand, if a Islamic (or Christian, or Jewish, etc.) organization wanted to offer a food bank to spread the word of charitable giving taught in their religion, then I wouldn't be upset if these hours were allowed to be counted.
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I think it important to note this isn't voluntary, it will be mandatory.

Are you using loans??

If so, you can blog us on your service.
 
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How about just stick to good ole fashion loans. Loan them money they pay you back with money. None of this other horseshat.
 
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