ISIS Takes Control of Mosul

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red butler said:
Fair enough, but I don't think it's a matter of lack of knowledge... More like a different perspective. You have to admit that there is a wing of the party that calls for military intervention as the answer to everything. It's called the neocon/RINO wing and it's the same group that will work with the left to ensure true conservatives don't get elected during primaries.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That has happened already while we were there. Let the Saudis and Iranians sort it out.
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You think the Saudis and Iranians will spend that much money, time and resources stopping groups intent on attacking the West? I think not. If anything the Iranians would consciously allow their existence.
 
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alexmanu said:
You think the Saudis and Iranians will spend that much money, time and resources stopping groups intent on attacking the West? I think not. If anything the Iranians would consciously allow their existence.
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I think the odds are highly, highly more likely that they will fight it out in Iraq rather than joining forces and fighting The West.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Wait... let me back up. What difference does it make to most GOP voters anyway? The last 2 guys the GOP nominated for president were RINOs (McCain and Romney).
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The fact that Paul is not exactly in the good graces of the GOP leadership?

Is that a point you missed?
 
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Grand Vol said:
The fact that Paul is not exactly in the good graces of the GOP leadership?

Is that a point you missed?
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What is the reasoning for him not being in their good graces? If their claim is that he is a RINO, then I don't see why it makes a difference. The only other option (assuming RINO = Republican-lite), is that Rand is too far to the right, which is just as bad, if not worse.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What is the reasoning for him not being in their good graces? If their claim is that he is a RINO, then I don't see why it makes a difference. The only other option (assuming RINO = Republican-lite), is that Rand is too far to the right, which is just as bad, if not worse.
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Because he is too far to the right.

But he also is saying what the base wants and needs to hear. And instead of Jeb or Christie like the party leadership wants, Paul can unit nearly everyone as well as drawing centrist votes.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Because he is too far to the right.

But he also is saying what the base wants and needs to hear. And instead of Jeb or Christie like the party leadership wants, Paul can unit nearly everyone as well as drawing centrist votes.
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Good assessment. I am a centrist voter and very seriously considering Rand Paul. He has moved to the center on a few things that may hurt him in the primaries.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Because he is too far to the right.

But he also is saying what the base wants and needs to hear. And instead of Jeb or Christie like the party leadership wants, Paul can unit nearly everyone as well as drawing centrist votes.
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Gramps said:
Good assessment. I am a centrist voter and very seriously considering Rand Paul. He has moved to the center on a few things that may hurt him in the primaries.
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I'm curious. Why would a centrist support a candidate that is too far to the right for the establishment GOP?

For the record, I don't think the GOP doesn't like him because he is too far right. He's certainly not the renegade his father was, but I'm hoping it's because he hasn't sold out to special interests. The GOP doesn't know if it can control him, therefore he is a threat.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I already made concrete plans to vote for him.
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I took you more for a Santorum kind of guy. My mistake.


To say Rand Paul is a major disappointment is an understatement.

Yet, the wheels on the truck go round and round. If only we had the right guy...... Yeah.
 
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red butler said:
I'm curious. Why would a centrist support a candidate that is too far to the right for the establishment GOP?

For the record, I don't think the GOP doesn't like him because he is too far right. He's certainly not the renegade his father was, but I'm hoping it's because he hasn't sold out to special interests. The GOP doesn't know if it can control him, therefore he is a threat.
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Because there is middle ground in the indy voters that can be pulled in. He's completely against the surveillance of American citizens and other things the NSA is doing which drew a standing ovation from Berkeley. He is generally non-interventionist which also appeals to that crowd as well as the libertarian crowd.

But he's also fiscally conservative enough as well as pro-Constitution to draw most conservatives into the fold.

A great many things determines whether he gets the nod, but the GOP leadership is scared to death they can't run their next Romney or McCain. And of course if the media sits this one out. (which I am not betting on) And last but not least on whether Hillary tosses her hat in the ring and how much she distances herself from Obama real fast.
 
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red butler said:
I'm curious. Why would a centrist support a candidate that is too far to the right for the establishment GOP?

For the record, I don't think the GOP doesn't like him because he is too far right. He's certainly not the renegade his father was, but I'm hoping it's because he hasn't sold out to special interests. The GOP doesn't know if it can control him, therefore he is a threat.
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And to add, the last part of your post is spot on. Which is why they don't like him. And I didn't mind Ron Paul, but he was a bit kooky for my tastes and I just never saw him as being a decent President. (and I just turned up the gas for the char broil I'm about to get) And I am not ever going to agree with his non-interventionist stances. Rand does believe in going overseas and kicking the snot out of someone from time to time which is needed, again, from time to time.

And either way, the conservative side of the house is fragmented. They've tried and failed twice now to put the old line into the White House and failed to secure the further right vote. The DNC figured it out. Put up a far left candidate and the rest of the party that typically votes (D) no matter who is on the ballot follows. It's time the GOP figured that out as well.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I took you more for a Santorum kind of guy. My mistake.


To say Rand Paul is a major disappointment is an understatement.

Yet, the wheels on the truck go round and round. If only we had the right guy...... Yeah.
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Uhh, no.

Santorum isn't a bad guy, but I just wasn't seeing him either as President. I fully supported Romney in the last election based on the simple fact his economic policies made sense. And he was a far, far, far better choice than Obama. That's not a lesser of two evils choice, it's an "Obama sucks as a leader, period end of discussion" and a "Romney is a pretty decent guy overall who knows how to run businesses and make a profit. And furthermore knows how to reach across an aisle to make compromise."

Something sadly missing from the past six years.
 
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Burhead said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-[QUOTE
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29100285]BBC News - Iraq crisis: Obama to set out 'US offensive against IS'

Obama is set to speak to the nation on Wednesday detailing our strategy against ISIS.[/QUOTE]

I'm sitting on pins & needles waiting for that little bit of information to come out & I'm sure ISIS will be laughing w/tears coming down their cheeks in their luxury hotel rooms after they hear of this great strategy that's been hatched against them from this dolt. It'll probably take till Wednesday to load all the confused BS crappy information into the teleprompter for him to read it once he gets back off the golf course.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
I'm sitting on pins & needles waiting for that little bit of information to come out & I'm sure ISIS will be laughing w/tears coming down their cheeks in their luxury hotel rooms after they hear of this great strategy that's been hatched against them from this dolt. It'll probably take till Wednesday to load all the confused BS crappy information into the teleprompter for him to read it once he gets back off the golf course.
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