for sure.. We have 4 scholly players over 6'6 on the team. One of those is Cade Philips. The other 3 all have the size to be good in the post but they are all pretty one-dimensional. Either strictly offensively skilled or defensively. Right now of our top 11 rebounders, 9 are guards. And those 2 posts both average 5 and 7 points a game respectively. Awaka's lack of stats are more about his limited time on the court he only averages 12 mins a game. Aido is the only post player that gets more than 12 mins on the court a game. We have literally no one behind those two except for J.P. Estrella and a walk-on. If those 2 are out we have JJJ and Cade Philipps starting in the post with Estrella backing them up? Small ball can work regular season but its not gonna work in the tourney. I'm trying to think of any team this small winning it all..... Are we even recruiting any high school posts? Because I mean looking at this roster we need to bring in at least 2 next season. and one transfer probably. And we only have 3 scholly spots coming open unless ZZ goes as a junior and or someone transfers which will happen.The answer to the bigger post player question could come as early as this Tuesday.
Thanks Thunder. Those names bring back some great memories of sitting at the kitchen table with my Dad listening to those guys games on the radio.The first 6 of Bernard King, Ernie Grunfeld, Mike Jackson, Reggie Johnson, Johnny Darden, and Terry Crosby is probably the most talent. Would have been amazing if Reggie was an upperclassman that year (1976-77).
Also, Ron Widby, Boerwinkle, and Justus.
And Justus, Croft, England, Johnson, and Hann.
And 2005-06 when Lofton and JaJuan were sophomores.
And when Weezy was on the roster.
Wisconsin featured two really big players on the floor at the same time ('twin towers' approach), yet we were not overwhelmed by that .... we countered it.The answer to the bigger post player question could come as early as this Tuesday.
That's probably true of those two teams, but make no mistake, Grant's not on the same level with King and Ellis. Especially KingI’m not sure. Grant is the best player out of everyone on both teams. This team may be deeper but id pick the starters for the grant team personally
I would have to say Yes. It's the 10-11 deep depth with talent all the way. We've had the depth needed for a FF run the past 2 seasons. But now with Gainey and Knect replacing the 2 who left, we now have 2 offensive minded players who can create a shot on their own, we have the missing piece.
We need to develop our 2 freshmen bigs for the tournament run. If those two can grow into their roles, then watch out! In short, Rick Barnes has built something amazing here.
We will need to count on JPE and CP for minutes and depth in a three day tournament. They’ll get minutes.I understand that the three ball has taken over the game, and that we have LOTS of guys that can fill it up, SO..... I am not ready to take gameplans and exeution we have seen so far breaking in Special K and the coach's son to develop a ceiling on our post production, expecially offensively. Defensively with the depth on the perimeter and the willingness to keep the defensive pressure extended due to having lots of fresh pieces to throw out there, it has forced our posts to match up further from the basket as bigs have to go out to create passing lanes TO DATE rather than play park and rim protect.
That can and I expect will change going forward Aidoo and Awaka will limit their range unless their guy is a serious deep threat. On top of that I am encouraged by both young posts mobility. They don't look like upper class guys, but they do look like that experience can make them not liabilities as the season progresses. The structure of the schedule these next few games will not advance their education, but they SEEM to be ahead of MY anticipated contribution schedule. The overall athleticism gives me hope that if we can create some playing time they can take advantage of it and be assets before tourney time if foul situations require it.
I agree some of this talk is premature...I am excited about the possibilities but I know that scouting reports are out with stronger competition on the horizon so let's see what happens.The team is very good but it's very early. This kind of talk gets thrown around every year. The Springer/Johnson team is one that comes to mind. Fans were going crazy after we beat up on a couple directional schools. It ended up being a good but not great team. We will know a little more after Hawaii.
Agree Knecht's ability to score at all 3 levels is better than Punter or Lamonte...I was responding based on your comment about perimeter shot making ability which I interpreted to mean 3-pt shooting in the Barnes era.Agreed, especially on Lamonte. He was never going to be the prolific scorer that Knecht can be, but he’s probably the most similar with how he could get to the rim so well (KC was elite at this too). Knecht can just do it from literally anywhere - mid range, back to the basket, etc. He’s definitely the most versatile out of this group.
The competition is collecting video on Knecht. It wouldn’t surprise me to see his efficiency fall off a little moving forward. That should open things up for others on the floor.I agree with you on Lofton. I didn’t phrase my question well. What I intended to ask was if Knecht is on the same level shooting the ball as Lofton.
No, but Lofton didn’t possess Knecht’s ability to drive the lane. Their games and body types don’t really compareI agree with you on Lofton. I didn’t phrase my question well. What I intended to ask was if Knecht is on the same level shooting the ball as Lofton.
I agree but, when it comes to a 5 on 5 game we have players to pick up the load in his absence if they are 1) using their best defensive player against him, 2) Are using a double team to contain him.The competition is collecting video on Knecht. It wouldn’t surprise me to see his efficiency fall off a little moving forward. That should open things up for others on the floor.
Grant wasn‘t on the same level, but Grant was one of the most savvy basketball players I’ve ever seen. His awareness and basketball IQ might be the best of any Vol I’ve ever witnessed.That's probably true of those two teams, but make no mistake, Grant's not on the same level with King and Ellis. Especially King
If you watched King, he played with an extremely high IQ. I know a video is floating around of him and other former greats sitting in a forum discussing more of the details and nuances of each of their games. King gave a dissertation on the offensive gridGrant wasn‘t on the same level, but Grant was one of the most savvy basketball players I’ve ever seen. His awareness and basketball IQ might be the best of any Vol I’ve ever witnessed.
Overwhelming athleticism was the larger factor, imo.If you watched King, he played with an extremely high IQ. I know a video is floating around of him and other former greats sitting in a forum discussing more of the details and nuances of each of their games. King gave a dissertation on the offensive grid
I earlier recommended Hakeem as a study for young post players. Bernard would qualify as a graduate course study…Yeah, he was a great athlete with a top IQ to boot. Understanding how to get position on taller players is an art. Plus, he had one of the quickest outlets afterwards I've ever seen
I want to see the entire season but I could end up agreeing with you. Lofton could straight up shoot the ball. He actually didn't do too bad driving for a layup. I don't remember him having much of a mid range shot just because he was so good behind the arc. He certainly couldn't play with his back to the basket like DK can.Lofton. Knecht is the better all-around player, though.
We’ve had a pretty awesome run since Bruce Pearl turned us into a relevant basketball school.
Lots of talent.
But I truly feel this team is the most complete team we’ve had.
The team with:
Had a very strong starting 5 and Bowden was a good 6 man.
This team I feel is just better.
Knecht is the guy we’ve been waiting for. This far into the season he has that “I want the ball” go to scorer. Whereas before we wanted JJJ to be the guy, he didn’t have that instinct. He has the ability, and I think having Knecht take that responsibility from JJJ will allow JJJ to actually be the guy to hit a huge shot or two down the stretch.
Once Vescovi learns to play a 2 man game with Knecht, he should feast. You can’t double Vescovi if that leaves Knecht to slash all over you.
Aidoo is a very good big man. With a solid mid range game and the ability to dominate the post and get boards.
Awaka going to develop further into a dominant PF. And we’re going to give teams a strong down low look with Aidoo and Awaka complimenting each other when needed.
Gainey I think is a really nice presence that will offer some interesting looks to hit multiple slashers with swing men. I love the idea of having a set with Vescovi at point, Knecht and Gainey/James at swings, and Aidoo and Awaka banging down low. Or even throw James in for a Awaka to have a mobile offensive set with a solid mid range big man that can dominate the post like Aidoo.
Mashack is the wild card. He’s that guy that has the highest athletic potential of anybody on the team. And he’s worked on his shot. He’s a lock down guard. He’s going to be key.
Not to mention we’ve got Ziegler back who will put some interesting sets available and the ability to control guard play for late tourney runs.
We also have some very talented freshmen.
This is a team built for a run. I think we win it all.
So—is there any Tennessee basketball team that’s been as talented?