Is this really a thing?

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https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/t...-was-quite-telling-in-ways-both-good-and-bad/

From the link above:

"Former UT coach Butch Jones did his best to inflate his recruiting success. He’d lobby for commitments’ rankings to go up just because they would eventually sign with UT. Based on recruiting rankings over the past five seasons, the Vols should have an above-average roster. They don’t."

For context purposes, I understand that recruiting ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Outside of being thin-skinned & insecure, what's the point of a coach trying to sway a recruiting service to increase a rating?

Just curious.
 
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Before any of you bother to click, let me paste the last 2 paragraphs so you know not to bother:

“Who can the Vols beat on their schedule other than Charlotte? In years past, UT fans could point to Kentucky and Vanderbilt as likely wins. No more. Both teams are better than UT and have better rosters. Let that sink in for a bit.

When Pruitt was hired, I thought being 6-6 and bowl eligible was an attainable goal. I now think that’s a fairy tale. On second thought, maybe the Vols can be bowl eligible. Maybe the Vols can win six games — in 2020”
 
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Dang, that was a depressing read. But, probably true.

As far as Butch trying to sway recruiting services, IMO that was Butch being all about Butch. Look what I've recruited, I need a raise!

Coach Pruitt has a tough job ahead of him but I believe he can do it if given time. Getting his recruits in here and a culture change, it will happen!


Edit: The true part I was referring to is about Butch recruiting's BS. NOTE: I do believe we will win 1 to 3 SEC games this year.
 
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Some writers (fewer and fewer, sadly) know how to research for their articles. They come up with an idea, then test it by interviewing people, asking for perspectives of a wide range of folks. They let the facts lead them.

Others get a bit of indigestion over something, then start typing without worrying about whether it has validity. Just purely that one writer's opinion, and a bunch of made-up drivel.

This article, and its writer, seem to fit the latter category. It is telling when an article making such damning claims (lobbied to have recruit ratings inflated? really?) includes not a single corroborating fact or quote. From anyone. It all seems to be made up in the mind of the writer.

I wouldn't believe a thing he says until he starts showing where he got his "facts."
 
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DisgruntledVol said:
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/t...-was-quite-telling-in-ways-both-good-and-bad/

From the link above:

"Former UT coach Butch Jones did his best to inflate his recruiting success. He’d lobby for commitments’ rankings to go up just because they would eventually sign with UT. Based on recruiting rankings over the past five seasons, the Vols should have an above-average roster. They don’t."

For context purposes, I understand that recruiting ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Outside of being thin-skinned & insecure, what's the point of a coach trying to sway a recruiting service to increase a rating?

Just curious.
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I wouldn’t be surprised, but it’s a bald assertion.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Some writers (fewer and fewer, sadly) know how to research for their articles. They come up with an idea, then test it by interviewing people, asking for perspectives of a wide range of folks. They let the facts lead them.

Others get a bit of indigestion over something, then start typing without worrying about whether it has validity. Just purely that one writer's opinion, and a bunch of made-up drivel.

This article, and its writer, seem to fit the latter category. It is telling when an article making such damning claims (lobbied to have recruit ratings inflated? really?) includes not a single corroborating fact or quote. From anyone. It all seems to be made up in the mind of the writer.

I wouldn't believe a thing he says until he starts showing where he got his "facts."
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Why is that accusation so damning? It is completely meaningless.
 
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It could explain why we keep assuming we will compete in the SEC based on our recruiting classes but not seeing that translate to on field success.
 
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If true it won’t take highly ranked classes for Pruitt to improve the roster.

FYI, anytime Atlanta sports talk radio wants some dirt or negative Vol news they call Dave Hooker for some info to report on air.
 
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I am not sure how that would help on gameday, but, I guess it could have happened. But, football is a game of reality as opposed to perception. A good coach should be able to see through the "star" rating and see the realities of the player - character, work ethic, talent, - the whole package. Pruitt was handed some players he wouldn't recruited. We all know that. Now we have to see if he can put together a team of ...(I believe the football term is..) SLOBBERKNOCKERS to make into scary team on the field. (for our opponents, that is)
 
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There was nothing special about Jones's last two classes. Those are the guys playing now. Most of the guys from the 4th ranked 2015 class aren't here anymore. If anything the rankings were too high for those middle of the road SEC classes,. Add in the fact Jones wasn't a very good coach and you see that Pruitt is trying to make chicken salad out of chicken ..... Well that's where we are folks. A long rebuild ahead and we don't know where it will end up, mid pack, top of the SEC, or another coaching search in the future. That is the state of UT football. All made possible to you by one piss poor decision after another.
 
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macrovol said:
Yep, all these overrated guys somehow made an NFL roster:
Rashaan Gaulden
Josh Malone
Jalen Reeves-Maybin
Trevor Daniel
Alex Ellis
Kahlil McKenzie
John Kelly
Alvin Kamara
Derek Barnett
Josh Dobbs
Emmanuel Moseley
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Hmmmm.

Now Moseley. Nobody and I mean nobody deserves credit (if we're dealing it out) for that guy's success but Butch and our staff. He was an absolute nobody on the recruiting circuit at 145# iirc. Jones is an easy piniata. But if you can't give him some kudos for raising up that guy, then you're hopelessly against Butch.

Maybe Butch lobbyed the services to bump EM to a 3 star?!? Pretty sure he was a 2*.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Some writers (fewer and fewer, sadly) know how to research for their articles. They come up with an idea, then test it by interviewing people, asking for perspectives of a wide range of folks. They let the facts lead them.

Others get a bit of indigestion over something, then start typing without worrying about whether it has validity. Just purely that one writer's opinion, and a bunch of made-up drivel.

This article, and its writer, seem to fit the latter category. It is telling when an article making such damning claims (lobbied to have recruit ratings inflated? really?) includes not a single corroborating fact or quote. From anyone. It all seems to be made up in the mind of the writer.

I wouldn't believe a thing he says until he starts showing where he got his "facts."
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I think moat all of them know how to do the research. They are just too lazy to do it and rely on hearsay from other people who do not do research.
 
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Hawkeye4588 said:
It could explain why we keep assuming we will compete in the SEC based on our recruiting classes but not seeing that translate to on field success.
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Been saying this for a while. If recruiting rankings weren’t a thing, nobody would say there’s enough talent on our roster to compete.
macrovol said:
Yep, all these overrated guys somehow made an NFL roster:
Rashaan Gaulden
Josh Malone
Jalen Reeves-Maybin
Trevor Daniel
Alex Ellis
Kahlil McKenzie
John Kelly
Alvin Kamara
Derek Barnett
Josh Dobbs
Emmanuel Moseley
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You only named five 4-star recruits from a span of what, three classes?
 
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