Is the problem Dobbs, or DeBord's use of Dobbs??

[G-Vol]

Vols still had Dobbs in a red/green jersey. We paid App St. $1.15 million to see that as well, but unfortunately our email to App St about that went to spam.

 

[FlyFishnVol]

Ok, it was Deborg, the RPO is coordinated with the OL, you can't just start running if your OL is thinking, he is staying in the pocket, we are working on our passing game. Blocking schemes the read etc. etc. must be there for Dobbs to scoot down the field. In my opinion Deborg and Butch took a calculated risk (App State) and it blew up in their face. Butch got ButchSlaped by App State's HC. I don't want any of my comments to be misunderstood, CBJ like any employee made a mistake, a big one, it requires a stern face to face meeting with the boss........Hart probably had the meeting Friday at O Dark 30, and Butch knows he made a mistake.....and I don't feel we'll ever see that kind of risk taking again.......UT has some awesome players, and their wings were clipped, the only one that took the leashes off, Shoop. Deborg needs a bit of a knot jerked in his ass for almost repeating his performance at Michigan....I have other opinions about Deborg, but that will come out at the end of the season.

 

[volmoon]

...and another one on a third and long when he had to scramble he threw into a lot of coverage, down near your own 20 (don't remember the exact play or point of the game).

I was at the game. On the play in question, late in the 4th Q, Dobbs initially had lots of time to throw in the pocket. Then he not only made another questionable throw into coverage, he NEVER SAW A WIDE OPEN RECEIVER (10 yards behind the D) on the opposite side of the field.

 

[IPleadInsanity]

We use the most passive form of this offensive system and its easy to scheme against. Opposing coaches seem to know what we are running way too often, usually by the formation. If Dobbs goes under center will he pass? When Hurd stands directly beside Dobbs in the backfield will we run? Overall the plan needs to be more aggressive and more attention paid to disguising our attack. Its a form of the spread offense (get them man to man in space) you have to spread them out with threats middle, long and wide. 4th quarter before we went long I don't think we ran outside all night except on busted plays. 2 plays for Dobbs running and 2 for Kamara both up the tube. Key on Hurd on both sides of the ball, and stay with it, to stop the Vols.

 

[photovol]

Orange played flat and soft as the under belly of a kitten.

Dobbs had no pocket to step up into because Coleman Thomas is barely serviceable and our QB had to run for his life.

Don't get me wrong, Dobbs probably hasn't improved his passing accuracy that much but he didn't have much protection. He didn't run effectively much of the night and made a couple of really bad decisions when throwing the ball - he seriously looked as if he had regressed.

Just a bad night BUT, HEY, look at the bright side...

We won't be saddled like Michigan has been for 9 years with a season opening loss to App State at home being forever shown on ESPN as one of the largest CHOKE JOBS of all times !!!

Yes, but Vol fans feel like they lost the war already?

 

[jhcrane14]

UT tried to beat App St running just a basic package. 5-8 offensive plays. We did not play well and give App St credit. They gave it everything they had.

 

[Volview]

...on a side note. Where is the O-line in that game?

 

[ncvol17]

I agree with poster who notes Dobbs is an athlete playing QB. Those who say he needs to improve down field passing, isn't it a little late in game (SR) for that hope?

 

[MFL]

Dobb's has not progressed with the team. His level of play is now holding a good team back. He cant pass and they want use his strengh. Something needs to go.

 

[imbubbaspitcup]

Dobb's has not progressed with the team. His level of play is now holding a good team back. He cant pass and they want use his strengh. Something needs to go.

Maybe you should go!

 

[themicah85]

I honestly don't blame tee Higgins for not wanting to come to Tennessee, our two primary receivers are five stars and might get three or four hundred yards this year

 

[TNnative]

On the way in this morning was listening to "Full Ride" on XM with Rick Neuheisel and Chris Childers, and of course the game was a topic of conversation. The point that was being argued was that the Vols' offensive scheme is poorly designed when it comes to Dobbs. Dobbs is an athlete, a dual threat. He can throw downfield, but his real strength is that he is always a threat to run. The claim being made was that Dobbs' dual threat ability is underutilized by DeBord.

Personally, my feeling about Dobbs has always been that, while he's a threat to run and capable of making plays downfield, the reality is that he's a bit slow on the decisionmaking when faced with both choices. That is to say, he's fine with either one, if its what is called and the defense is in the right configuration for it to work that time.

If I'm right, the issue is not DeBord. In fact, it may well be that DeBord recognizes Dobbs' limitations, and is trying to manage the decisionmaking for him, from the booth.

If I'm wrong, the issue is indeed the scheme, and DeBord, not surrendering control and putting his faith in Dobbs to make good decisions.

A couple of plays stand out to me that its Dobbs. That wounded duck he threw up at the end of the first half, and another one on a third and long when he had to scramble he threw into a lot of coverage, down near your own 20 (don't remember the exact play or point of the game).

If the O-Line does not get their heads outta their butts, you will never know whether you are right or wrong. And if you are drawing conclusions without recognizing that, then your interest in sports analysis might be better focused to games like tag or red rover.

 

[TNnative]

I honestly don't blame tee Higgins for not wanting to come to Tennessee, our two primary receivers are five stars and might get three or four hundred yards this year

Something he and Amari Rogers have probably discussed more than once since Thursday.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Neither/both, you also have to take into account the reviewer core and the o line. Sometimes you change things up and it's not that the players or the coaches got better. It's the change itself that instigates the energy. What we need is a bigger perspective and focus on what's important as opposed to wasting energy on everything and getting nothing done.

 

[carolinaviking]

I don't understand why Debord is making him stay in the pocket in a fast pass offense that's designed for the QB to scramble more times than what he did last night,also he's to f$&@&k predictable when it comes to play Calling

As others in this thread have said, it could be that UT saw this as a cakewalk and did not want to show our true strengths or give away our "special" plays. Perhaps the coaches saw this as a good scrimmage to work on the fundamentals, the bread-and-butter plays that make up the bulk of our gameplan. That said, I don't think they intended for our OL to show up drunk and stoopid. In the end, though, I cannot convince myself that this was the case and am quite worried about what I saw. Until I see otherwise, I fear CBJ and MDB are completely uncreative and that our players are not as good as we believe them to be.

 

[UT_King]

Dobbs accuracy is still below average and his decision making was awful for a veteran QB. I've given up on improving accuracy, but hopefully he will make better decisions moving forward.

 

[Volnut67]

It's a combination of Dobbs limited passing skills and offensive coaching

 

[turdherder11]

On the way in this morning was listening to "Full Ride" on XM with Rick Neuheisel and Chris Childers, and of course the game was a topic of conversation. The point that was being argued was that the Vols' offensive scheme is poorly designed when it comes to Dobbs. Dobbs is an athlete, a dual threat. He can throw downfield, but his real strength is that he is always a threat to run. The claim being made was that Dobbs' dual threat ability is underutilized by DeBord.

Personally, my feeling about Dobbs has always been that, while he's a threat to run and capable of making plays downfield, the reality is that he's a bit slow on the decisionmaking when faced with both choices. That is to say, he's fine with either one, if its what is called and the defense is in the right configuration for it to work that time.

If I'm right, the issue is not DeBord. In fact, it may well be that DeBord recognizes Dobbs' limitations, and is trying to manage the decisionmaking for him, from the booth.

If I'm wrong, the issue is indeed the scheme, and DeBord, not surrendering control and putting his faith in Dobbs to make good decisions.

A couple of plays stand out to me that its Dobbs. That wounded duck he threw up at the end of the first half, and another one on a third and long when he had to scramble he threw into a lot of coverage, down near your own 20 (don't remember the exact play or point of the game).

The offensive line is most of the problem. I think the better the Oline plays the better the play calling tends to be. That said, however, Thursday night's game was a lot different than the way we played the 2nd half of the season. I expect the staff to insert more plays into the game plan or completely open it up. Saturday will be the true test. Every person who has attended the open portions of practice say this is the best team we've had in a while, that shouldn't change over night, and we shouldn't regress in the offseason. We are gonna have to wait and see. With time dobbs can kill you with his feet, and hit the open passes because of it. The muffed punt and int is highly uncharacteristic for this team.
I do know one fact, if we had a halfway decent OC Dobbs would have killed uf the past two seasons.

 

[TheEndlessEnigma]

I say it is coaching first and talent second. The fact that the offensive scheme is terrible and coaches seem to be rather inflexible in their conservative play calling. I don't get the whole conservative spread offense shindig. That being said Dobbs can't hit the Tennessee river on some of his throws. That could be coaching or Dobbs inability to learn proper throwing technique. It just doesn't seem to be a match made in heaven either way.

 

[govols105]

the problem is coaching.

 

[oskiee]

I’ve read many posts on here and there are some good ones. Lawgator was spot one in my opinion. To cut to the chase….with Jones offense unless we have a deep threat in throwing the ball we’re in trouble. On several occasions we had deep receiver’s wide open and we couldn’t get the ball to them. Without a deep threat we’ve got major problems and we’ll not win the big ones. Good teams are going to force us to show them we can throw deep. Until then we’re in deep shXX!

 

[Remy]

We all need to take somewhat of a deep breath. This team which is now improved and with additional freshman talented players is pretty much the same one with improvements which took the 2015 edition of the Tide to within 5 points at their house. Their collective talent did not melt away somewhere, 120 and the staff needs to figure out how to get it fixed for this next game. All this knee clacking and soiling diapers over our players not being talented was BS and is BS when no one was saying that after the Bama and bowl games last year. So leave that bunk behind, we have talent, just get them to or allow them to use it and that is on the staff and team leaders to make happen.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I keep seeing these posts about us struggling against a "stacked box." I rewatched all the offensive plays, and truth is, Ap St was getting through our line rushing 4. That's a problem.