Is the new staff destined to succeed?

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orange_swarm

orange_swarm

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First off, we should define success for this staff. To me, the ultimatum is UT should have a spot in the '11 SEC championship game. I hope for better, but I think a year for CLK and company to develop their first full-season recruiting class (2010) is reasonable.

But has there ever been a college football staff of this magnitude (talent and salary wise) that hasn't succeeded? At the tender age of 20, I don't have the proper knowledge of college football history to answer this question. It seems to me, with all the prosperous histories (Monte, Orgeron, Chaney, Gran, the list goes on), this staff is almost destined to succeed: when you put a staff of winners together, you win.

I know this is inviting the Fulmer love-doves and Kiffin haters from around the SEC to attack but we need something to discuss besides the OC and BB recruiting sagas. :)
 
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It all depends on how they jell, Sometimes coaches have problems amoung themselves. If they bond and pull together, this will be an awsome coaching staff!:crossfingers:
 
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orange_swarm said:
First off, we should define success for this staff.......
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Hamilton is on record as saying his expectations at Tennessee are to win at least two SEC championships during a 10-year period and get to the SEC title game every three or four years, as well as play in BCS bowls with some regularity.
 
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If this staff can recruit in the top 5 nationally year in and year out, and DEVELOP that talent, then the sky is the limit.
 
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VolDad said:
Hamilton is on record as saying his expectations at Tennessee are to win at least two SEC championships during a 10-year period and get to the SEC title game every three or four years, as well as play in BCS bowls with some regularity.
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I was trying to come up with something more concrete.

Is it just me or does Hamilton seem to be aiming a little low? In the SEC title game every 3-4 years? Sounds suspiciously Fulmer-esque to me
 
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orange_swarm said:
I was trying to come up with something more concrete.

Is it just me or does Hamilton seem to be aiming a little low? In the SEC title game every 3-4 years? Sounds suspiciously Fulmer-esque to me
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I understand. This staff will never be given 10 years to meet those goals without some short term success. Those were the goals outlined under CPF.
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
I don't believe in 'destined to succeed'... but 'designed to succeed'?... yes.
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The above post captures my thoughts as well.

TN has an outstanding collection of assistant coaches. All have worked for proven generals. TBD if Kiffin is in the mold of a proven general or.. something else. If the latter, things will get interesting on the hill.

Whether successful or unsuccessful, IMO the present staff won't be at TN more than two years. If TN is wildly successful, other schools will start plucking TN's assistants. Yeah, you pay 'em a lot; but so will other schools if they think it gives them a shot at a winning program. Every major school has deep pockets. Furthermore, Kiffin won't remain content with a "mere $2 million" if he is the overseer of a successful resurgence of TN football. The West Coast will call and Kiffin will listen. TN would of course match whatever offer Kiffin receives. TBD whether Kiffin would do a Hat trick and spurn a return to his football roots.

If TN doesn't meet its fans' expectations for success in 2009 & 2010, assistants will bail. Not all of 'em and not at the same time, but you'll have attrition. That's an easy one to predict.

FWIW, your rivals will pay more attention than usual to TN football during the 2009 season. And no, it won't be due to trepidation. That hasn't been earned yet.
 
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The only thing stopping this staff from succeeding is their selves. I know that sounds too easy but they have the talent, tools, history, and experience that says beyond a doubt they will win and win big. Now whether or not they do, that is up to them.
 
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6+ wins and a bowl trip would be success to me this year. I imagine we can do better than that with the home schedule, but compared to 2008 I'll take what I can get.

At least it would be a tangible improvement that sends the right message. I would then hope for a 7, 8, or 9 win season in 2010 but given the QB questions and O line needs we'll have to wait and see.

Hoping for the best and I feel we have the right personnel to make it happen in the long run.
 
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I don't believe in destiny. I do believe in hard work and it seems as if our staff agrees.
 
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UAfossil said:
If TN doesn't meet its fans' expectations for success in 2009 & 2010, assistants will bail. Not all of 'em and not at the same time, but you'll have attrition. That's an easy one to predict.
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We already lost to Wyoming, our expectations won't be hard to meet, trust me.

They wouldn't leave if they were doing poorly, that makes no sense at all. First of all, they're making more than any other assistants and wouldn't leave because of 1 or 2 bad seasons. That's ridiculous. You have to give at least 4 or 5 years before you're going to have those meltdowns and give time for talent to progress.

Additionally, they'll wait around for improvement. UT is national stage and if they show a turnaround THEN they get the lucrative job elsewhere for having proven themselves. The assistants are incentivized in every way to see it through.
 
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VolDad said:
I understand. This staff will never be given 10 years to meet those goals without some short term success. Those were the goals outlined under CPF.
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This staff will never be together that long.
 
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If this staff is like every other staff in the NCAA, they'll star disbanding after this season and look totally different 3 years from now.
 
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I second the posts that state that this staff won't be together long, but I mean look at USC (Southern Cal). Their assistant turnover is ridiculous, however they are still awesome every year so that is encouraging to me.
 
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When they get talent, they will succeed big time. UT will own the SEC in a few years--mark it down.
 
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