Is Phillip Fulmer a legend? (split)

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hatvol96 said:
We wouldn't be replacing a legend.
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Really? and what other coach has a NC at UT...General Neyland and ??????Oh Yeah Phil Fulmer...He may not have the legeacy of the General but he will be rememered as a one hell of a coach...

Ask yourself is Spurrior a legend? how many NC does he have? he is more a legend for his mouth...if he was god's gift to football South Carolina would be at the top of the East!:hi:
 
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hatvol96 said:
We wouldn't be replacing a legend.
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Hat, he could cure cancer and you wouldn't like him.

Whatever you think of my verbiage, my point was that I don't think a program has to wander through the wilderness for a period of time when replacing a successful coach.

P.S. - I still don't give this thread much weight.
 
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I want to know who Ferentz's PR people are?? That guy's name has gotten more run in the street than Heidi Fleiss and he has never really done anything that special. He's not a bad coach by any stretch, but he's certainly never come that close to winning anything major. He's never been to the Rose Bowl or any BCS game, yet he's highly thought of as a potential NFL coaching candidate. His teams always start out really hyped-up and crumble like a Ritz Cracker by about Week 6. Seriously, Pacman and Mike Vick need to hire Ferentz's people!!

Maybe Ferentz could thrive at a place like Tennessee, but I think I'd rather hold on to what we got if he is the alternative. And despite my faults with some of Fulmer's conservatism, he's a lot closer to a legend than a guy like hatvol would think. The numbers over time dictate that Fulmer is a High Tier 2 coach all-time. Tier one would include the Bryant's, Neyland's, Paterno's, Robinson's, Bowden's, Wilkinson's, Switzer's, Osborne's, and Spurrier's. But Phil stacks up pretty well when you put his numbers and longevity against the rest.

I'm not in the fire Phil camp by any means, but if this scenario arised, these are the candidates.

1. Jon Gruden
2. Bill Cowher
3. Tommy Tuberville (stick it to Lowder, get out of Bamer while he's still on top)
4. Steve Kragthorpe
5. Doug Marrone (Former UT asst, New Orleans OC, and Boots Donnelly's son-in-law)
6. Rich Rodriguez
7. Chris Peterson
8. Greg Schiano
9. Mike Singletary
10. Kirk Ferentz
 
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superdave1984 said:
Given the propensity of UT to promote from within, it is very difficult to believe that they would go after someone like that. I would think they would promote Cutcliffe or Chavis before they would go outside the Orange Family. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. However, if it comes to pass, I will refer back to this post and humbly apologize.
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I don't think this will be the case anymore. Cutcliffe probably doesn't want to be head coach and quite frankly, I don't think he nor Chavis are head coaching material at a place like UT. The power brokers at UT have slowly transitioned from a "good ole boy" group to a more practical group. The next UT coach won't be a long time assistant or from the "family" so to speak. Gruden's one year doesn't qualify him as in that group.
 
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Is John Gruden at the top of the list because he was a UT GA and married a UT cheerleader?
 
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karvassal said:
it will be hard to get an NFL head coach to assume a HC position of a collegiate program (ala Gruden). A better chance would come from NFL coordinators (like UCLA and UM did with their DC's)
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Not a place like UT. It would be one of the top four or five jobs in college football as far as attractiveness to a NFL head coach/former head coach. I could see Cowher or Gruden coming.
 
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TheTennesseeTom said:
Ask yourself is Spurrior a legend? how many NC does he have? /quote]
The same number as Fulmer, but with a bunch more SEC titles and a dominant head to head record against the UT head coach. If you're trying to puff up Fulmer by comparing him to Spurrier, go right ahead. It will simply serve to prove my point.
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It takes more than one national title to be a legend. It takes success over a long period of time... Fulmer isn't close to being a legend.
 
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tvolsfan said:
It takes more than one national title to be a legend.
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It depends on how it was won and how long the team had gone without one.

Example
Coker at Miami didn't do it with his players and once he got his players he went down hill.

CPF will go down as a legend at UT. They have already named a street after him. And you mark my words. Once he retires he will be remembered as a much better coach than he is thought of now. It's just the way things work out.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I would have loved to have snagged Butch Davis before UNC did...
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Just file that one under Opportunities Lost. It goes in the file with failing to hire Tim Floyd when we hired Wade Houston and choosing Jerry Green instead of Bill Self.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
It depends on how it was won and how long the team had gone without one.

Example
Coker at Miami didn't do it with his players and once he got his players he went down hill.

CPF will go down as a legend at UT. They have already named a street after him. And you mark my words. Once he retires he will be remembered as a much better coach than he is thought of now. It's just the way things work out.
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I tend to agree with that. He's one of those guys that will probably be appreciated more after he's gone. And, hey, trust me, I'm not a Fulmer cheerleader, but things could be a bit better.......................BUT.......................they could be a hell of a lot worse.
 
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VolinArizona said:
This is a huge myth. Hefney returned a punt inside the 10. He yelled at Hefney to come over. Antwan Stewart walked past, and everybody said it was Hefney. I had it on TIVo for months, and I checked it numerous times. Hefney did in fact receive his shellacking like a man.
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I saw it too. I have chose not to argue with anyone on it because I didn't have it TiVoed and couldn't prove it, but I know others than don't like hearing such BS. If anyone on here doesn't think that Fulmer chews ass as good as anyone, then they are sorely mistaken. He got cut off of TV three years ago when he had a player over on the sideline and the cameras/field mic caught him saying F,ing this, damn that...and so forth. It is only a myth that Fulmer is soft on the players.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
CPF will go down as a legend at UT.
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Does that mean when his successor wins his third SEC title, we'll name the university after him? The idea that Fulmer would be mentioned in the same breath as the Bryants, Paternos, Rocknes, and Osbornes of the world is utterly sickening.
 
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I'm giving this question it's own thread. I didn't really mean to start a discussion like this when I used the word legend, but even though I cringe when I see Fulmer threads this is sort of an interesting debate.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
CPF will go down as a legend at UT. They have already named a street after him.
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No he won't. Don't they have a street named after Tee Martin, too? I wouldn't call him a legend... I find it hard to imagine there are many who coached for less than 20 years and became known as a legend.
 
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tvolsfan said:
No he won't. Don't they have a street named after Tee Martin, too? I wouldn't call him a legend... I find it hard to imagine anyone coaching for less than 20 years and being a legend.
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I would say Tee is a legend. The 98 season is a season people often talk about with great memories. He was the QB on that legendary team. Thus it is not far fetched that he is a legend in terms of UT football.
 
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