Is CJH our Mark Richt/Bo Pelini

Is CJH our Richt/Pelini?

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#1fulmerite said:
I understand the reference to Coker however, this thread has absolutely nothing even remotely to do with that. What gets me is how anyone could possibly utilize Richt as an insult. I think it’s that you have something personal with me and/or Fulmer which, if it is me, then it would have to be Fulmer. I’m sure there must be people who dislike Richt as there are people who dislike the most likable people in the world but, if anyone is going to compare another coach to Richt, they are automatically complimenting that coach because of Richt’s stature.

My friend, you are just a hater.
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Man, you are the one who started this thread "is CJH our Mark Richt/Bo Pelini" and you didn't mean that as a compliment to either Richt or Heupel. Don't lie.
 
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B81 said:
I think Kirby was as close to a sure thing as there is. He had no head coaching experience, but he was the best coordinator on the best side of the ball for the best program in college football. Not to mention, his hiring weakened Bama. He was also a natural fit, being georgia born and raised and having played there.

One thing to remember, Kirby hasn’t won anything without a good Offensive coordinator. If they take a step back again on offense, Bobo might get canned.
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All coordinators are a roll of the dice, regardless of pedigree. How many other top coordinators didn’t work out as head coach? It was a huge gamble going from Richt and his 10 wins a year to a coordinator with zero experience.
 
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He's got to be a better game day coach than last season. The AR loss was inexcusable. Their DC publicly commented we were easy to defend. The offense just didn't click at all. Nico might have had something to do with that, but the playbook was not inspiring.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
I understand the reference to Coker however, this thread has absolutely nothing even remotely to do with that. What gets me is how anyone could possibly utilize Richt as an insult. I think it’s that you have something personal with me and/or Fulmer which, if it is me, then it would have to be Fulmer. I’m sure there must be people who dislike Richt as there are people who dislike the most likable people in the world but, if anyone is going to compare another coach to Richt, they are automatically complimenting that coach because of Richt’s stature.

My friend, you are just a hater.
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I have never liked Georgia, but I always liked and respected Richt as it seems most others did as well. One year we lost a heartbreaker to GA - think it was the Pig goal line fumble - but after the game Richt said “I’m very proud of both teams, they played their hearts out” or something like that. Pure class. So much more likeable than the guy who is there now. I think most coaches would be honored to be compared to Richt, and yes, our guy Fulmer too.
 
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Delmar said:
Definitely a break there. Add to it FSU’s first and second string QB’s being out for the title game. Injuries are certainly part of the game but nobody can deny that it was a big break facing their 3rd string QB. (Marcus Outzen as I recall.)

I still have the framed KNS article about the national championship though and won’t take it down!
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FSU beat a very good Florida team with Outzen so he was at least serviceable. Sure, I’d rather see him than whoever they had before him but they were still a good team. We might’ve caught a bigger break when we didn’t have to play Arkansas again. It was our year and we spent 20 years having breaks go against us to pay for it, at least it felt like that at times. It was worth it.
 
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B81 said:
One thing to remember, Kirby hasn’t won anything without a good Offensive coordinator.
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Besides an SEC championship with Jim Chaney and another one with Mike Bobo last year. He also went 13-1 in 2023 with Bobo. Sadly, Georgia's current level of success is due to Kirby. He isn't propped up by other coaches, he's 105-19 in 9 seasons.
 
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Volizona said:
I have never liked Georgia, but I always liked and respected Richt as it seems most others did as well. One year we lost a heartbreaker to GA - think it was the Pig goal line fumble - but after the game Richt said “I’m very proud of both teams, they played their hearts out” or something like that. Pure class. So much more likeable than the guy who is there now. I think most coaches would be honored to be compared to Richt, and yes, our guy Fulmer too.
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Agree. I think Pruitt is literally the only guy ever who had a beef with Richt, which should have told us something in retrospect.
 
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Doctrippin said:
He's got to be a better game day coach than last season. The AR loss was inexcusable. Their DC publicly commented we were easy to defend. The offense just didn't click at all. Nico might have had something to do with that, but the playbook was not inspiring.
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Agree. I am still confused about why we were aggressive and kept trying to score until the final second in 2021-22 and then playing scared, playing to not lose with no urgency in 23-24. Sorry it’s not as simple as Hooker vs Milton and Nico. It was a philosophy change that made no sense at all.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Man, you are the one who started this thread "is CJH our Mark Richt/Bo Pelini" and you didn't mean that as a compliment to either Richt or Heupel. Don't lie.
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Anyone should be able to read the OP and know it was a discussion starter. It wasn’t meant as neither a negative or positive sway towards any coach, including Pelini.

The reason I did the post was to inquire if anyone else had noticed similarities and if not, do they now.

You, my friend, are jumping across posts on multiple threads insinuating things about me, strongly I might add.

If you do not have an opinion about the OP, then don’t comment. This is called a discussion board and not an attack board.
 
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LAVol1 said:
Richt was a terrible game day coach. He got really lucky twice against the Vols after making stupid game decisions. But, he could recruit. UGA tried to spin that the cupboard was bare when Kirby took over, but they had more 4-5* players than any SEC team not named Bama. Kirby just took it to the next level. It didn't hurt that UT and UF were in decline. If UF and USC continue to improve, things will get a lot tougher for CJH.
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I knew when he pulled Garner away, our pipeline to those great Georgia recruits would dry up!
 
#112
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Sarms58 said:
...Fulmer had (IMO) better coordinators and of course the magical season in 1998 with a couple of miraculous late game heroics to finish undefeated and then had all the right teams win/lose late in the season to get us into the championship game.
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98 Tennessee being undefeated SEC champ had a lot to with "getting us into the championship game".
Kinda like Alabama and Ole Miss (among others) losing late last year helped us get into the playoff last year. You've still gotta win tho, which the '98 team did.
 
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HeuperDrive said:
All very interesting what ifs.

I won’t try to answer the Majors one, not really my forte….. but Fulmer, I think we probably still can him in 08 even with the natty appearance. But I may be wrong. Maybe we do keep him on for another year or two. It actually may have been better for us, as this could’ve prevented us from hiring Dooley. Maybe we even take a chance on Leach in 2011? Always love a what if where the Pirate ends up in Knoxville, even if I doubt he’d have been very successful here.

As for Richt, definitely think he coaches at UGA until he retires had he won it all, probably still in 2018. They’d still hire Smart, as he’d end up at South Carolina as he considered irl, but the perception around Richt would be much different, and respectful. I may hate the Dawgs, but I’ve always been a Richt defender and am tired of people saying “he’s your Mark Richt” as if it’s some horrible thing.

95% of CFB programs wish they could have the sustained success he had at Georgia.
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I think the position he was in when TXTech fired him could have been done at a bigger school. He won 11 games the season before his firing and won 8 the year he was canned there.
I think UT offered him a chance to execute his offense with blue chip talent. The Pirate was always ready to listen to UT. He seemed to think it was a destination job.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
Just hear me out: What if we had given Fulmer a sabbatical?
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He had one and came back and destroyed the program with his ego hire. Fulmer without Cutcliffe was not a very good SEC coach. Saban, Richt, Meyer, and the grass grazer from LSU exposed Fulmer. So did Clemson, Maryland, and Kansas State in bowl games. All teams with inferior talent.
 
#116
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LAVol1 said:
Richt was a terrible game day coach. He got really lucky twice against the Vols after making stupid game decisions. But, he could recruit. UGA tried to spin that the cupboard was bare when Kirby took over, but they had more 4-5* players than any SEC team not named Bama. Kirby just took it to the next level. It didn't hurt that UT and UF were in decline. If UF and USC continue to improve, things will get a lot tougher for CJH.
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UF and USC won't improve without coaching changes....CJH is ok on that front
 
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zjcvols said:
The obsession with "can Heupel win a national title" shows why I can't stand how pro sports ideology has leaked into college sports.

This program the previous 13 years before Heupel got here was 78-82. Not just a losing SEC record. An overall losing program. The previous 16 years was 102-96. The program (pre Heuepel) had not won an SEC title in 22 years. And this doesn't take into account the fact that the entire AD was in disarray during this entire time. It's not like when Heupel got hurt we had an AD that had been in place for a few years. They got here at the same time.

If everyone with an IQ above 70 on this board would be told in 4 years that Heupel would go 37-15 with zero home losses to Alabama and Florida and two top 10 finishes, they would have taken it full stop, not even think about it.

Plus, trying to compare current coaches to previous coaches just isn't something you can do in today's era. Ohio State just won a national title paying over $20M to their roster with two losses and didn't play in their conference title game. Imagine trying to explain that sentence to someone 15 years ago. This is a completely different ball game. Trying to say Heupel is "our Mark Richt" is stupid because it's like trying to compare Nick Saban to Robert Neyland.
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Well said.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
Anyone should be able to read the OP and know it was a discussion starter. It wasn’t meant as neither a negative or positive sway towards any coach, including Pelini.

The reason I did the post was to inquire if anyone else had noticed similarities and if not, do they now.

You, my friend, are jumping across posts on multiple threads insinuating things about me, strongly I might add.

If you do not have an opinion about the OP, then don’t comment. This is called a discussion board and not an attack board.
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The only thing I have ever insinuated, flat out said about you is that you idolize Fulmer so much, I suspect you are either Fulmer or a close family member, and I say that, mostly in jest. Otherwise, I have no opinion on you. I do notice also that sometimes you seem to throw shade at Heupel, but that's allowed, this is a message board and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

That said, with this post you were definitely implying that Heupel is "just our Mark Richt" like we were settling with Heupel, but in doing so, you forgot your boy Fulmer went 3-5 against Richt, and had an almost identical career statistically to Fulmer, the rewards of the Stoerner fumble aside. Any coach should be honored to be compared to Fulmer or Richt, but be honest man, you weren't comparing Heupel to Richt in a complimentary way. We all know it, you are not fooling anyone.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
The only thing I have ever insinuated, flat out said about you is that you idolize Fulmer so much, I suspect you are either Fulmer or a close family member, and I say that, mostly in jest. Otherwise, I have no opinion on you. I do notice also that sometimes you seem to throw shade at Heupel, but that's allowed, this is a message board and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

That said, with this post you were definitely implying that Heupel is "just our Mark Richt" like we were settling with Heupel, but in doing so, you forgot your boy Fulmer went 3-5 against Richt, and had an almost identical career statistically to Fulmer, the rewards of the Stoerner fumble aside. Any coach should be honored to be compared to Fulmer or Richt, but be honest man, you weren't comparing Heupel to Richt in a complimentary way. We all know it, you are not fooling anyone.
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Think, outside the box for just a second. I not only utilized Mark Richt but Bo Pelini as both were similar. I was not implying anything but rather inquiring other’s thoughts.

As far as Fulmer’s record against Georgia during Richt’s time, that may be part of the discussion but, his specific record against him is not.

That is why I keep stating you have something major against Fulmer and now me; because of Fulmer. You have posted as much in several threads now. Instead of trying to prove whatever false agenda you have for me, concentrate on the OP. If you don’t want to do that, then just don’t post.
 
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#120
I've lived in Tennessee a long time, and what I have experienced is that the "true fan" crowd hates all coaches and all players. Every coach is going to be a failure every time. Playoffs not good enough, championships not good enough (obviously). I do suppose though that a lot of those LOTM guys are dying off and of course society is different, so we'll see what happens 10 and 20 years down the road.

I am pretty sure that Heupel has already proved that he's not good enough. On the other hand, the good news is that Saban is gone, at least. If he beats Alabama as much as Fulmer then he could last as long as Fulmer.
 
#122
#122
Nebraska wishes they had Bo Pelini back. Dude won there and nobody since has been able to do anything remotely close to what he accomplished there.
 
#123
#123
Doctrippin said:
He's got to be a better game day coach than last season. The AR loss was inexcusable. Their DC publicly commented we were easy to defend. The offense just didn't click at all. Nico might have had something to do with that, but the playbook was not inspiring.
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Nico missed so many open guys. Their dline was dominating our O line. The passing game was there but Nico couldn’t connect on anything.
 
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#124
Firebirdparts said:
I've lived in Tennessee a long time, and what I have experienced is that the "true fan" crowd hates all coaches and all players. Every coach is going to be a failure every time. Playoffs not good enough, championships not good enough (obviously). I do suppose though that a lot of those LOTM guys are dying off and of course society is different, so we'll see what happens 10 and 20 years down the road.

I am pretty sure that Heupel has already proved that he's not good enough. On the other hand, the good news is that Saban is gone, at least. If he beats Alabama as much as Fulmer then he could last as long as Fulmer.
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Under what metric has Heupel proved he isn’t good enough?
 
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