Is CJH our Mark Richt/Bo Pelini

[Fatman Photos]

Tennessee has never won National Championships on a regular basis. So don't get your hopes up and get your heart broken. I don't see them getting on a run like Georgia has the last few years and what Alabama did under Saban. It's just not gonna happen, especially in this day and time where you can now buy your teams. There is no loyalty anymore. After the last 20ish years I am pleased that we can moved forward and are looking like a quality team again. CJH may or may not win a Championship here but he is a lot better than what we have had lately. Getting 9 or 10 wins yearly and eventually a Championship may fall into out hands.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Tennessee has never won National Championships on a regular basis. So don't get your hopes up and get your heart broken. I don't see them getting on a run like Georgia has the last few years and what Alabama did under Saban. It's just not gonna happen, especially in this day and time where you can now buy your teams. There is no loyalty anymore. After the last 20ish years I am pleased that we can moved forward and are looking like a quality team again. CJH may or may not win a Championship here but he is a lot better than what we have had lately. Getting 9 or 10 wins yearly and eventually a Championship may fall into out hands.

Our best hope is that Heupel has a bunch of double digit winning seasons making us eligible for the playoffs.

 

[SpookyAction]

I read the Bo Pelini mention to be more about firing a coach winning 8-10 each season, and then the upgrade coach becomes a downgrade. Then it all falls apart.

Mark Richt might have lost control of the Red Lobster, or whatever, but he gained control of the GA recruitment pipeline, and that gave him control over Phil Fulmer and Dooley.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Offseason and still have wait time till season starts so, another one of “these” threads.

I keep reading here how well CJH has done and how well we think he is doing. I, for one, cannot complain, at all!

I also read on here our guesses to not only this year’s record but what we all think the record will be each year. The consensus seems to be 9/10 wins with some stating 7 wins for past three all the way to 11 wins and automatic CFP spot each year.

My question is, is CJH our Richt/Pelini where we average 9/10 wins each year with a bowl game each year and, maybe win three out of five of those? My next question is, if so, will you be content with that unlike Georgia and Nebraska?

Dude we get it. You hate Heupel. Just stop the BS trolling threads. Do you not have anything better to do than make BS threads about Heupel? I mean the guy is a better coach than your screen name.

 

[xpsyclonex2002]

Winning it all isn't something you just go do. It takes skill and luck. There's your luck and then there's other teams luck. It all has to work in your favor. You can have the best team in the country and play a game where the refs are making terrible calls and end up losing. You can be having a fairy tale season like 2022, and then your star quarterback gets hurt in a game where your competition has received all your signs while at the same time your best defensive player torpedoes the whole team. Sometimes it's about what you're doing. Sometimes it's what other people are doing. Just because you're knocking it out of the park doesn't mean somebody else isn't knocking it out of the park even further. We think that coaches like Sabin just happen. It takes more than just being a good coach.

 

[Wahoooo]

Even without the CFP, Georgia was one deflected pass away from winning the SEC in 2012, and they’d have probably ripped Notre Dame apart in the championship much like Bama did.

would have been interesting to see the perception of Richt had that happened.

I have thought the same thing in the past.

Similarly, I have given thought about;

1. If Johnny beats Bama in 1990, even with the close loss to ND, do we win the natty or at least tie for a natty in 1990? I believe this was the year GA Tech and Colorado were co champs since no one stepped up. If so, does Majors get canned 2 years later?

2. If the Vols take care of an average LSU team in 2001 and win the SEC, we play Miami for the natty. Most likely would not have won, but you never know. Even if we loose, the fact that Fulmer played for 2 nattys, does he get fired in 08?

If Richt had played for a national championship in his tenure, does Georgia run him off?

 

[wmcovol]

Heupel has pulled this program thru what appeared in January 2021 to be entering the darkest 4 years of its history with a 71% winning percentage. This has been one of the best coaching jobs done in the SEC in the last 10 years.

 

[HeuperDrive]

I have thought the same thing in the past.

Similarly, I have given thought about;

1. If Johnny beats Bama in 1990, even with the close loss to ND, do we win the natty or at least tie for a natty in 1990? I believe this was the year GA Tech and Colorado were co champs since no one stepped up. If so, does Majors get canned 2 years later?

2. If the Vols take care of an average LSU team in 2001 and win the SEC, we play Miami for the natty. Most likely would not have won, but you never know. Even if we loose, the fact that Fulmer played for 2 nattys, does he get fired in 08?

If Richt had played for a national championship in his tenure, does Georgia run him off?

All very interesting what ifs.

I won’t try to answer the Majors one, not really my forte….. but Fulmer, I think we probably still can him in 08 even with the natty appearance. But I may be wrong. Maybe we do keep him on for another year or two. It actually may have been better for us, as this could’ve prevented us from hiring Dooley. Maybe we even take a chance on Leach in 2011? Always love a what if where the Pirate ends up in Knoxville, even if I doubt he’d have been very successful here.

As for Richt, definitely think he coaches at UGA until he retires had he won it all, probably still in 2018. They’d still hire Smart, as he’d end up at South Carolina as he considered irl, but the perception around Richt would be much different, and respectful. I may hate the Dawgs, but I’ve always been a Richt defender and am tired of people saying “he’s your Mark Richt” as if it’s some horrible thing.

95% of CFB programs wish they could have the sustained success he had at Georgia.

 

[vegasvolfan]

Don't think we'll be winning that one anytime soon....

Odds are against us, but they have been most of the time Josh has been coaching at Tennessee. If we can get that OL playing another level, we might be surprised once again.

 

[YankeeVol]

Odds are against us, but they have been the most of the time Josh has been coaching at Tennessee. If we can get that OL playing another level, we might be surprised once again.

I’d say!


























There are no divisions anymore…

 

[25vol]

FBS National Championship Coaches' Tenure (1998–Present)


From 1998 (start of BCS) through 2024, the average tenure of head coaches at the time they won a national championship is about 6.2 years.


List of champions and tenure at time of title:


1998 — Tennessee — Phillip Fulmer (7th year)
1999 — Florida State — Bobby Bowden (24th year)
2000 — Oklahoma — Bob Stoops (2nd year)
2001 — Miami (FL) — Larry Coker (1st year)
2002 — Ohio State — Jim Tressel (2nd year)
2003 — LSU — Nick Saban (4th year)
2004 — USC — Pete Carroll (4th year)
2005 — Texas — Mack Brown (8th year)
2006 — Florida — Urban Meyer (2nd year)
2007 — LSU — Les Miles (3rd year)
2008 — Florida — Urban Meyer (4th year)
2009 — Alabama — Nick Saban (3rd year)
2010 — Auburn — Gene Chizik (2nd year)
2011 — Alabama — Nick Saban (5th year)
2012 — Alabama — Nick Saban (6th year)
2013 — Florida State — Jimbo Fisher (4th year)
2014 — Ohio State — Urban Meyer (3rd year)
2015 — Alabama — Nick Saban (9th year)
2016 — Clemson — Dabo Swinney (8th year)
2017 — Alabama — Nick Saban (11th year)
2018 — Clemson — Dabo Swinney (10th year)
2019 — LSU — Ed Orgeron (4th year)
2020 — Alabama — Nick Saban (14th year)
2021 — Georgia — Kirby Smart (6th year)
2022 — Georgia — Kirby Smart (7th year)
2023 — Michigan — Jim Harbaugh (9th year)
2024 — Ohio State — Ryan Day (6th year)


Summary and context:
About half of these coaches won the title within their first 4 years at the school — for example, Coker, Stoops, Tressel, Meyer, and Chizik. This suggests that a new coach can often make a big impact quickly, especially if they inherit a strong roster and recruiting foundation.


On the other hand, some coaches took longer to reach the top: Bobby Bowden needed 24 years at FSU before winning it all in 1999, while Harbaugh finally got his breakthrough in year 9 at Michigan, and Dabo Swinney didn’t win his first until his 8th season.


Nick Saban is a unique case, winning titles at Alabama from his 3rd year all the way into his 14th, showing both quick turnaround and sustained dominance.


The average (6.2 years) reflects a balance between “instant impact” hires and long-term program builders. It also suggests that while some programs aim for a quick championship window, others steadily build up to it over a decade or more.

Got the analysis in quotes from ChatGPT because I was curious to know what the average tenure was. I then plotted the tenure lengths:View attachment 754262
Seems like a subtle upward trend, doesn't it?

 

[stolitonic]

I think you're right, it was 3 or 4 years before they lost a game in conference. But they kept playing Miami and Florida, for the in-state rivalries I believe, and Miami ruined his chances quite a bit. Maybe Florida tripped them up a few times too? A lot of dominant football in Florida back in the 1990s. Oh and maybe Notre Dame too? While they were an independent? Not sure though.

I bet that was a hell of an emotional atmopshere. All I remember about that 1992 game (I was a wee tot then) was Charlie Ward was really bad, and then Charlie Ward was really good. Funny how football is littered with stories like that.

But on the Bowden point, it was something to think about. He had them there in the mix every year. He whiffed on a lot of tough breaks, sure, but he had them in the conversation almost every year. Makes on think on the original question a bit. Some of it is work and effort, but some of it truly is dumb luck.

I think it was either in 95 or 96 when they finally lost an ACC game. For some reason I am thinking it was against UVA?

Miami joined the ACC about the same time IIRC-maybe a year later. Once I was actually enrolled at Tech, we got some severe beatings from them lol. I remember 93 and 94 being painful thrashings. Went to Miami for the game and realized really quickly Hurricane fans were not my kinda folks



That 92 game was my first real "wow" moment with CFB. I had been to UT games, etc but I admittedly didn't have an emotional connection to the Vols then. I had already made the decision to go to Tech by that point (assuming I got in lol) and the whole scene floored me man


You are correct and that is the very game where Charlie Ward turned from a bum into Superman. If memory serves Tech was up by 13 or so with the ball going into the 4th. Ward ducked into a phone booth and the Noles ended up winning by 10 or so I think. He kept that momentum rolling the rest of the season and won the Heisman the next year.

In hindsight I am glad for posterity that I got to see that transformation with my own eyes, but still wish Tech won ha ha.

 

[rocketskates]

I'm a realist--if that's the case, I'll take 9-10 wins a year for the time being. Ten wins likely gets you into the playoff each year and gives you a shot, as well as keeping the program relevant. If Heupel eventually "stagnates" then the program is at least attractive again. That being said, the players love Josh and I'm thrilled to have him. Given the cast of clowns that we dealt with prior he's just what we needed.

 

[hUTch2002]

Nebraska never should have fired Bo, especially given how Osborne's tenure went. Osborne had solid/great years forever until he broke through and won the big one and then it was like a running faucet. Bo was consistent, who knows if he'd have ever won it all but have you seen the Cornhuskers since he was canned?

Tennessee is not in the catbird seat like Georgia. Firing a guy who consistently makes the CFP (which remains to be seen) would be nuts.

And UGA got super lucky. Smart was no sure thing at all. Richt was.

 

[DaddyChad]

Richt was a damn fine coach. He just had the unfortunate luck of coaching when Meyer and then Saban were in the conference. Georgia likely wins a few more conference titles or a championship if not for that. They damn near beat Saban in the SEC title one year as well.

 

[#1fulmerite]

Mark Richt won 2 SEC championships, had basically the same record as Fulmer, and had a winning record against Fulmer FYI.

Not only good points but valid ones as well. Do you know what Fulmer has that Mark Richt does not?

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Not only good points but valid ones as well. Do you know what Fulmer has that Mark Richt does not?

AD experience?

 

[DonDiego]

Not only good points but valid ones as well. Do you know what Fulmer has that Mark Richt does not?

A lifetime membership in the Clint Stoerner fan club?

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

CJH could certainly rise to Richt's level one day. We'll see. Then I hope he ascends up to Kirby's level, which is a dominating SEC and National Champ. GoVols

 

[Delmar]

Dude we get it. You hate Heupel. Just stop the BS trolling threads. Do you not have anything better to do than make BS threads about Heupel? I mean the guy is a better coach than your screen name.

Now you’ve done it. Here comes the monthly Fulmer thread.

 

[KTrain]

Offseason and still have wait time till season starts so, another one of “these” threads.

I keep reading here how well CJH has done and how well we think he is doing. I, for one, cannot complain, at all!

I also read on here our guesses to not only this year’s record but what we all think the record will be each year. The consensus seems to be 9/10 wins with some stating 7 wins for past three all the way to 11 wins and automatic CFP spot each year.

My question is, is CJH our Richt/Pelini where we average 9/10 wins each year with a bowl game each year and, maybe win three out of five of those? My next question is, if so, will you be content with that unlike Georgia and Nebraska?

IMO and its only mine I cannot understand why a Vol fan starts these useless polls. I know you qualified it by being somewhat neutral. JMO but the only one that uses this stuff/polls neg talk is the bloggers and upstart sports sites that are scrambling for something to write in the offseason. If it steers negative then recruiters from opposing schools relays, they read on a blog site to recruits. Even saying their HC is not going to last even the fanbase voted a certain % thinks the HC is not the answer and just a position holder while they look to find someone like a Saban etc...

 

[DaddyChad]

Not only good points but valid ones as well. Do you know what Fulmer has that Mark Richt does not?

Bad cholesterol?

 

[B81]

And UGA got super lucky. Smart was no sure thing at all. Richt was.

I think Kirby was as close to a sure thing as there is. He had no head coaching experience, but he was the best coordinator on the best side of the ball for the best program in college football. Not to mention, his hiring weakened Bama. He was also a natural fit, being georgia born and raised and having played there.

One thing to remember, Kirby hasn’t won anything without a good Offensive coordinator. If they take a step back again on offense, Bobo might get canned.

 

[VolFan_stuck_in_the_901]

Like Richt? Christ, I hope so! A career 10 win average and a couple of conference championships would be amazing!

This

 

[VolFan_stuck_in_the_901]

Ask again in 10 years. But a Marc Richt is a standard to shoot for, not a failure to avoid.

This: Richt is a Hall of Fame coach based on his time at Georgia alone. Everyone conveniently forgets how problematic a young Richt and Georgia were for us in the early 2000s, and I often wonder if he would be viewed more favorably if Saban and - to a lesser extent - Urban Meyer had never come into our league.