Is CJH our Mark Richt/Bo Pelini

Is CJH our Richt/Pelini?

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#28
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Jax_Vol said:
Lawd...Bo couldn't carry Mark's jockstrap.

Mark had like 200 wins and Bo had 4.

Ok, so I didn't research that last fact.
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Yeah if the intent was to say Pelini and Richt were a similar caliber of coach, that's way out of pocket.

Assumed he was just trying to convey "is he going to be a coach that we should just be happy with what we get so we don't revert back to being bad" since Nebraska went from winning 9 games a year with Pelini to being pretty awful until..well, kinda still, but Rhule seems to have them trending in the right direction.
 
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Titans4Vols said:
Yeah if the intent was to say Pelini and Richt were a similar caliber of coach, that's way out of pocket.

Assumed he was just trying to convey "is he going to be a coach that we should just be happy with what we get so we don't revert back to being bad" since Nebraska went from winning 9 games a year with Pelini to being pretty awful until..well, kinda still, but Rhule seems to have them trending in the right direction.
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Can you imagine being known as the AD that fired Frank Solich and saying I wasn’t going to let Nebraska slip into mediocrity.
 
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Richt’s record at Georgia was about like Fulmer’s at UT…Richt was 145-51 with two SEC championships while Fulmer was 151-52-1 with two SEC Championships and one National Championshp…Fulmer had (IMO) better coordinators and of course the magical season in 1998 with a couple of miraculous late game heroics to finish undefeated and then had all the right teams win/lose late in the season to get us into the championship game.

I fear a coach plateauing out more like a Johnny Majors than a Mark Richt…
 
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Sarms58 said:
Fulmer had (IMO) better coordinators
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Very underrated point about Richt. If Richt had gotten Cutcliffe as his OC, he probably ends up winning a championship like Fulmer did. The right coordinator can elevate a coach to new heights.

Cutcliffe with Matthew Stafford would’ve been something to watch, admittedly. Glad it didn’t happen, but it’d have been a spectacle.
 
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HeuperDrive said:
Very underrated point about Richt. If Richt had gotten Cutcliffe as his OC, he probably ends up winning a championship like Fulmer did. The right coordinator can elevate a coach to new heights.

Cutcliffe with Matthew Stafford would’ve been something to watch, admittedly. Glad it didn’t happen, but it’d have been a spectacle.
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But my favorite Georgia teams were the Ray Goff teams…NFL talent everywhere except the coach….I miss Ray Goff…and Mike Shula…
 
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Mark Richt- one of the nicest guys to ever coach college football
Bo Pelini- probably the biggest hothead in college football
Still trying to get my head around these two guys in the same bucket for a comparison question regardless of the wins/losses.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Bo Pelini? Come on man. If Mark Richt had coached at UGA in the CFP era he probably would’ve won a national title . 2002 they were very good and in 2007 they were playing good football at the end of the season (even though we beat that ass in Neyland).
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Richt would have made a 12-team CFP 6 or 7 times in 15 years. And as you said, probably would have won a title at least one of those times.

If Heup ends up being our Mark Richt, I would be over the moon about it.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
Offseason and still have wait time till season starts so, another one of “these” threads.

I keep reading here how well CJH has done and how well we think he is doing. I, for one, cannot complain, at all!

I also read on here our guesses to not only this year’s record but what we all think the record will be each year. The consensus seems to be 9/10 wins with some stating 7 wins for past three all the way to 11 wins and automatic CFP spot each year.

My question is, is CJH our Richt/Pelini where we average 9/10 wins each year with a bowl game each year and, maybe win three out of five of those? My next question is, if so, will you be content with that unlike Georgia and Nebraska?
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Mark Richt won 2 SEC championships, had basically the same record as Fulmer, and had a winning record against Fulmer FYI.
 
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This is a hilariously bad take as he's way better than Bo Pelini and Mark Richt had an embarrassment of riches that Heupel has not had near the luxury of
 
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#1fulmerite said:
Offseason and still have wait time till season starts so, another one of “these” threads.

I keep reading here how well CJH has done and how well we think he is doing. I, for one, cannot complain, at all!

I also read on here our guesses to not only this year’s record but what we all think the record will be each year. The consensus seems to be 9/10 wins with some stating 7 wins for past three all the way to 11 wins and automatic CFP spot each year.

My question is, is CJH our Richt/Pelini where we average 9/10 wins each year with a bowl game each year and, maybe win three out of five of those? My next question is, if so, will you be content with that unlike Georgia and Nebraska?
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If CJH fails... and he might... it won't be for the same reasons. Richt would have made a fine AD. He tried to prove out the "CEO" coach model. It works like it worked for Bobby Cox and the Braves. Not many ups and downs but definitely no extreme "ups".

Pelini had personal issues that followed him. And whereas Richt was too CEO... Pelini didn't have enough "big picture" ability.

I like Heupel. But there's a chance he tops out well below where we'd all like to be. I just don't personally think he looks like Richt or Pelini.
 
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Voltopia said:
He was, but he coached at FSU for 16 years (and won an average of 9.5 games per season during that time) before winning his first championship. And FSU had a reputation of winning 10-12 games most years but almost never winning the big one. A lot of 11-1 years. In other words, sustained good-to-great results, rare title contention. Part of the devil's deal of being in the ACC back then.

It was a frequent conversation topic online and in person all through the 1990s. Would you rather be in the SEC, which was harder, or pull a Bobby Bowden and slide through to an easy 10+ win schedule in the ACC every year?
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TBF-Bowden being unable to win the big one was a trope well before they joined the ACC in 92

Those wide right/left games in the 80s and early 90s killed them man. FSU and Miami were both monsters back then. Those kicks go through the uprights and Bobby likely has 2-3 more NCs to his name and Miami has less hardware in their trophy cases as well.

If anything, joking the ACC gave them an easy route to undefeated or one loss seasons there for a while. Was t it like 3-4 years before FSU even lost an ACC game?

Off topic but the 92 GT/FSU game in burned in my brain lol. I was there on my college visit and was able to score a ticket and just kinda hung out in the student section pounding drinks as a 17 year old lol. GT was way up early in the 4th but Charlie Ward turned into Charlie Ward right at that moment and FSU won. Changed the trajectory of both programs greatly
 
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stolitonic said:
TBF-Bowden being unable to win the big one was a trope well before they joined the ACC in 92

Those wide right/left games in the 80s and early 90s killed them man. FSU and Miami were both monsters back then. Those kicks go through the uprights and Bobby likely has 2-3 more NCs to his name and Miami has less hardware in their trophy cases as well.

If anything, joking the ACC gave them an easy route to undefeated or one loss seasons there for a while. Was t it like 3-4 years before FSU even lost an ACC game?

Off topic but the 92 GT/FSU game in burned in my brain lol. I was there on my college visit and was able to score a ticket and just kinda hung out in the student section pounding drinks as a 17 year old lol. GT was way up early in the 4th but Charlie Ward turned into Charlie Ward right at that moment and FSU won. Changed the trajectory of both programs greatly
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I think you're right, it was 3 or 4 years before they lost a game in conference. But they kept playing Miami and Florida, for the in-state rivalries I believe, and Miami ruined his chances quite a bit. Maybe Florida tripped them up a few times too? A lot of dominant football in Florida back in the 1990s. Oh and maybe Notre Dame too? While they were an independent? Not sure though.

I bet that was a hell of an emotional atmopshere. All I remember about that 1992 game (I was a wee tot then) was Charlie Ward was really bad, and then Charlie Ward was really good. Funny how football is littered with stories like that.

But on the Bowden point, it was something to think about. He had them there in the mix every year. He whiffed on a lot of tough breaks, sure, but he had them in the conversation almost every year. Makes on think on the original question a bit. Some of it is work and effort, but some of it truly is dumb luck.
 
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Voltopia said:
I think you're right, it was 3 or 4 years before they lost a game in conference. But they kept playing Miami and Florida, for the in-state rivalries I believe, and Miami ruined his chances quite a bit. Maybe Florida tripped them up a few times too? A lot of dominant football in Florida back in the 1990s. Oh and maybe Notre Dame too? While they were an independent? Not sure though.

I bet that was a hell of an emotional atmopshere. All I remember about that 1992 game (I was a wee tot then) was Charlie Ward was really bad, and then Charlie Ward was really good. Funny how football is littered with stories like that.

But on the Bowden point, it was something to think about. He had them there in the mix every year. He whiffed on a lot of tough breaks, sure, but he had them in the conversation almost every year. Makes on think on the original question a bit. Some of it is work and effort, but some of it truly is dumb luck.
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Notre Dame was/is independent in football (minus the Covid year)

When they played FSU in the 90's, FSU* was already in the ACC

*and won 2 of 3.
 
#47
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#1fulmerite said:
Offseason and still have wait time till season starts so, another one of “these” threads.

I keep reading here how well CJH has done and how well we think he is doing. I, for one, cannot complain, at all!

I also read on here our guesses to not only this year’s record but what we all think the record will be each year. The consensus seems to be 9/10 wins with some stating 7 wins for past three all the way to 11 wins and automatic CFP spot each year.

My question is, is CJH our Richt/Pelini where we average 9/10 wins each year with a bowl game each year and, maybe win three out of five of those? My next question is, if so, will you be content with that unlike Georgia and Nebraska?
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No relation
 
#49
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I would take Heupel’s two best teams over any of Pelini’s two during his time at Nebraska. Richt on the other hand is an interesting comparison. Honestly, if Heupel does have a similar path like MR, then that wouldn’t be a disappointment at all. Richt had quite a few teams that would have met the criteria for the current 12 team playoff format and he most likely has a title if he didn’t lose the 2012 game against Saban. It may be a tad bit too early to tell but I’d take it.
 
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We UT fans just don’t remember 08’ till 2022. A joke time period for us and we can’t be happy! GBO!
 
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