interesting read on govolsxtra.com today...

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their daily practice report wasn't really anything earth shattering, but it was somewhat interesting....

starting using a 3-4 look today and basically stated, that given where the personnel groupings are currently, it's likely we'll see that in the fall.....LB's apparently have come along a lot faster than the D line, at least the interior anyway. went on to add that you could see is go from 4-3 set to 3-4 set in the same game.........maybe same series....?? anyway, thought that was interesting..

then Lucas Taylor got snaps at qb today....and it was good to hear that this played two roles:
1. they want to install some option read in the offense, esp. now that they seem to think they have some players capable of executing it.
2. they need to see it in practice on Defense as we'll see it in game too.....gives them a chance to at least be a littel ahead when we see it in game prep for those weeks.

anyway, nothing really shocking, but a little enlightening.

go vols, beat OSU tomorrow night.
 
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this should be interesting to see. i can see the 3-4 working in our favor with the way the linebackers are coming along and the amount of experience that was lost on the defensive line. let's hope chavis can get it done come september.
 
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jakez4ut said:
their daily practice report wasn't really anything earth shattering, but it was somewhat interesting....

starting using a 3-4 look today and basically stated, that given where the personnel groupings are currently, it's likely we'll see that in the fall.....LB's apparently have come along a lot faster than the D line, at least the interior anyway. went on to add that you could see is go from 4-3 set to 3-4 set in the same game.........maybe same series....?? anyway, thought that was interesting..

then Lucas Taylor got snaps at qb today....and it was good to hear that this played two roles:
1. they want to install some option read in the offense, esp. now that they seem to think they have some players capable of executing it.
2. they need to see it in practice on Defense as we'll see it in game too.....gives them a chance to at least be a littel ahead when we see it in game prep for those weeks.

anyway, nothing really shocking, but a little enlightening.

go vols, beat OSU tomorrow night.
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There that proves it!! Fulmer has a mole on this board. Someone posted several months ago on Volnation that since we have an abundance of great LB's the Vols should run the 3-4 defense.:whistling:

I forgot whom it was (Oklavol??) but they should be made special advisor to the coaching staff and sit on the sideline with te team this fall!!!
 
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rockydoc said:
There that proves it!! Fulmer has a mole on this board. Someone posted several months ago on Volnation that since we have an abundance of great LB's the Vols should run the 3-4 defense.:whistling:

I forgot whom it was (Oklavol??) but they should be made special advisor to the coaching staff and sit on the sideline with te team this fall!!!
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I've been calling for Lucas Taylor at QB for quite awhile.
 
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Going 3-4 makes sense anyway, what with Harrell and McBride both graduating and no one looking anywhere close to ready enough to fill one of those spots (let alone two).

As for Lucas Taylor getting QB snaps...tough to say for sure. Option QBs normally aren't as athletic as a wide receiver or defensive back; it's their patience and ability to read/react and be disciplined in the face of immense pressure that separates the average from the good from the great. Athletic ability is a bonus, but consider that Steve Beurlein ran the option at Notre Dame successfully.
 
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kptvol said:
Agreed. Somebody better start hitting the roids if the Vols are going to find someone to play DT in the 3-4 scheme.
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The purpose of a NT in a 3-4 scheme is more to create a stalemate at the line of scrimmage. The actual ability to make plays is a bonus but not a necessity. In the run game, zone blocking excepted, a stalemate is a defensive victory.

To give you an example, last year I had a 5'6", 140-pound nose tackle who played extremely well against a power running conference schedule. His quickness was insane, but his strength and mass was obviously lacking. But he refused to give ground, and if he started to lose ground he'd create a pile.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
Going 3-4 makes sense anyway, what with Harrell and McBride both graduating and no one looking anywhere close to ready enough to fill one of those spots (let alone two).

As for Lucas Taylor getting QB snaps...tough to say for sure. Option QBs normally aren't as athletic as a wide receiver or defensive back; it's their patience and ability to read/react and be disciplined in the face of immense pressure that separates the average from the good from the great. Athletic ability is a bonus, but consider that Steve Beurlein ran the option at Notre Dame successfully.
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:salute: Your insite and expert posts are not unappreciated by the rest of us around here.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
The purpose of a NT in a 3-4 scheme is more to create a stalemate at the line of scrimmage. The actual ability to make plays is a bonus but not a necessity. In the run game, zone blocking excepted, a stalemate is a defensive victory.

To give you an example, last year I had a 5'6", 140-pound nose tackle who played extremely well against a power running conference schedule. His quickness was insane, but his strength and mass was obviously lacking. But he refused to give ground, and if he started to lose ground he'd create a pile.
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I just feel that we'll be seeing a lot of runs up the middle that we'll have a tough time stopping with any of our DT's lined up there alone.
 
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The Dude said:
I thought that was more of the 'chaos' where we have no down linemen.
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Right. The linemen and linebackers constantly shifted positions, confusing the O-line on their blocking assignments. I can't recall us using it since Clemson made it look stupid by exploiting it with the fumble-rooski. I have actually seen Chavis line up only one down lineman in an instance where he wasn't using that "chaos" alignment. A few years later, I saw the Patriots do the same thing. Every now and then Chief gets creative.
 
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The Dude said:
I thought that was more of the 'chaos' where we have no down linemen.
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we used that defense against Florida...but we also had some plays where we had 3 down linemen, 4 linebackers, and nobody was wandering around aimlessly.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
The purpose of a NT in a 3-4 scheme is more to create a stalemate at the line of scrimmage. The actual ability to make plays is a bonus but not a necessity. In the run game, zone blocking excepted, a stalemate is a defensive victory.

To give you an example, last year I had a 5'6", 140-pound nose tackle who played extremely well against a power running conference schedule. His quickness was insane, but his strength and mass was obviously lacking. But he refused to give ground, and if he started to lose ground he'd create a pile.
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Bingo! NT eats up a block or two preferably, and no, kptvol, they don't need to hit the roids at d-tackle. DT's in a 3-4 need to be fast, not big knuckle-draggers. At least that's the way I like to have them. The zone blitz is best run from a 3-4, so you need DT's who can get back into coverage, not blow up the o-line! Look at the Steelers' defense, as a whole, not last season, and you will understand what a 3-4 is supposed to look like when it is run correctly.
 
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The Dude said:
The problem with the 3-4 is it requires bigger DE's, which we don't have.
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There are no DE's in a 3-4, as such. There is a NT and 2 DT's. The DE position transfers into an outside LB. Kevin Greene is a perfect example. He was a DE with the Rams, but he was an outside backer at Pittsburgh and everywhere else he played.
 
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stlrcoach said:
Bingo! NT eats up a block or two preferably, and no, kptvol, they don't need to hit the roids at d-tackle. DT's in a 3-4 need to be fast, not big knuckle-draggers. At least that's the way I like to have them. The zone blitz is best run from a 3-4, so you need DT's who can get back into coverage, not blow up the o-line! Look at the Steelers' defense, as a whole, not last season, and you will understand what a 3-4 is supposed to look like when it is run correctly.
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Casey Hampton is 6'1" 325. I don't need to say anymore.
 
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Ted Washington 6'5" 365....Jamal Williams 6'2" 350.

It's important to have a big NT that can withstand the physical pounding and the constant double teams.

He must have lateral quickness though, and must play with good leverage.
 
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