Intelligent players

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I wonder what percentage of our players are intelligent?.
Most teams including us have had trouble with dumb players hurting our team.
In trouble with the law, unnecessary penalties on the field, causing discord among the players, fights off the field at parties etc., narcissistic, drug use, and just out and out stupid.
It surprises me that young super talented players that have a chance at a good education and maybe make millions of dollars in the pro s, ruin their chances by STUPIDITY.
To be a really good player and team member, there is more than talent involved.
Preseason, I wonder where we stand?.
 
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Intelligence is subjective. Nomads of the Sahara roam there with almost impunity. While you and your family or buds would die in a day or two. Same thing with pygmies and South American indigenous natives in their environments. We just don't have the smarts to survive there. I knew a guy who couldn't read, and barely chicken scratch part of his name. Knew hardly anything about math. But if your car became disabled, you'd probably wouldn't know how to fix and get it going again. This guy, I've seen him literally put his hand on the hood of cars that could still run engine-wise and correctly tell you what the problem was. He could fix anything, your cooling system, your brakes, install a timing belt, you name it. All I ever got out of asking him how he did that was, "Dad show me." So what's intelligence exactly?
 
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"I wonder what percentage of our players are intelligent?"
This is undoubtedly the absolute worst ever beginning to a thread I have seen posted on any blog on any planet. If there was an award for Least Intelligible Thread Writer, you would WIN!!!!

Moral of the story: stick to your day job, as we need more license plates!
 
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ice said:
I wonder what percentage of our players are intelligent?.
Most teams including us have had trouble with dumb players hurting our team.
In trouble with the law, unnecessary penalties on the field, causing discord among the players, fights off the field at parties etc., narcissistic, drug use, and just out and out stupid.
It surprises me that young super talented players that have a chance at a good education and maybe make millions of dollars in the pro s, ruin their chances by STUPIDITY.
To be a really good player and team member, there is more than talent involved.
Preseason, I wonder where we stand?.
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I daresay you re conflating two different things altogether. Intelligence does not equate to self discipline or self control. Lots of intelligent players have done some of the very stupid things you cite while their less intelligent counterparts found a way to avoid them. Players with less brain power have also screwed up while their more intellectual peers avoided issues. That piece that makes us who we are that assigns self control does not use intellect, actually smarter or smartest type folks use their intellect to get what they by avoiding rules or getting caught rather than avoiding violations in many cases.
 
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Blue chip recruits often feel entitled and that leads to a lot of this sort of stuff. It's as much a cultural thing within major sports as anything. They are scrutinized more at this level and everything ends up on social media. It's not really about intelligence as much as realizing they are under a microscope early on and reacting accordingly. It's way worse than what they saw in high school or anything previous generations had to deal with. 18-24 year olds make bone headed decisions. We all did at that age. It's just for most of us, nobody cared. They come out of high school where many of them could get away with anything into a world where they have to be constantly on guard. It's no wonder some don't adjust to it well. It happens everywhere not just Tenessee.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Intelligence is subjective. Nomads of the Sahara roam there with almost impunity. While you and your family or buds would die in a day or two. Same thing with pygmies and South American indigenous natives in their environments. We just don't have the smarts to survive there. I knew a guy who couldn't read, and barely chicken scratch part of his name. Knew hardly anything about math. But if your car became disabled, you'd probably wouldn't know how to fix and get it going again. This guy, I've seen him literally put his hand on the hood of cars that could still run engine-wise and correctly tell you what the problem was. He could fix anything, your cooling system, your brakes, install a timing belt, you name it. All I ever got out of asking him how he did that was, "Dad show me." So what's intelligence exactly?
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Hey man your going to have to slow this down.... JK well said sir!
 
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this question is too broad. it brings into a lot of other things including intelligence, person morals, ethics, etc. each person is different and will respond differently to different situations and peer pressure. There is too many variables., but they are young and are just starting out in life on their own. We have all made mistakes and learned( granted some mistakes (guns/drugs/abuse/etc) are different than others) from them. Most have ambitions of playing on Sundays so school isn't their top priority but do enough to pass.
 
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Having good loving parents goes a long way toward keeping a kid on the right path. Knowing that you would disappoint and maybe embarrass them keeps lots of us out of trouble. Having said that, who amongst us didn' t do some dumbazz and probably dangerous things growing up. Raise your hand if you didn't. ....Thought so...like previous poster said, we weren't in the limelight like these kids are.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Intelligence is subjective. Nomads of the Sahara roam there with almost impunity. While you and your family or buds would die in a day or two. Same thing with pygmies and South American indigenous natives in their environments. We just don't have the smarts to survive there. I knew a guy who couldn't read, and barely chicken scratch part of his name. Knew hardly anything about math. But if your car became disabled, you'd probably wouldn't know how to fix and get it going again. This guy, I've seen him literally put his hand on the hood of cars that could still run engine-wise and correctly tell you what the problem was. He could fix anything, your cooling system, your brakes, install a timing belt, you name it. All I ever got out of asking him how he did that was, "Dad show me." So what's intelligence exactly?
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This is deep.
 
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Back in the day, something stupid you did could be hidden with the right mix of friends. (true blue).... you know double dog dare and pinky swear. Those don't mean jack anymore. Your stupid stunt could posted on the interweb even while you're negotiating a deal to keep it quiet. Be smart, players cant' afford to throw away opportunity like this.....
 
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Intelligence isn't the issue. Wisdom is the issue. And not just with these kids, but society in general. We are unable to see the consequences of our actions until after they happen. And even if we are aware of potential consequences, we are so arrogant that we believe that they would never happen to us, only others. And we put too much stock in the temporal, rather than the lasting, big picture.

In the mind of an 18-22 year NCAA SEC athlete, whose name is able to be googled, only to find hundreds of articles talking about how great they are, who is discussed at length on message boards, who gets thousands of tweets and messages a day from grown men and women, celebrities even. Athletes who are given awards and accolades and told how great they are. Athletes who are seen on tv, and on magazines. Athletes who are known to everyone on campus, in their hometown, and in their college city, and who are invited to every party, and have the respect of other males and the attention of females, what do you expect?

These guys live in a culture that has set them up as immortal gods. It's told them if they're good enough, they'll get off the hook. If they're good enough, then finishing school won't matter. If they're good enough, they'll have connections to carry them through the rest of their life, everything will be taken care of. If they're good enough, they can say and do whatever they want to whoever they want.

Unfortunately, none of these things are true. And that's where we find the root of these things. Society has fed lies to these athletes (and many others). And only a culture of discipline, consistency, and accountability will correct it.
 
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I'd have to say it comes from the environment they came from and the will to overcome the lasting effects of that environment
 
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We learn two ways, either through experience ( Our own or others) or from someone telling/ teaching. Teens who have just earned independence are learning primarily through there own new experiences and are constantly testing the limits. Like a one year old pup they will take a risk even if they fear the possible bad experience. Doesn’t matter what they have been told.
The less guidance and the more you got away with as youngster, the more you try. The perfect trap for a successful young football player.
 
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ice said:
I wonder what percentage of our players are intelligent?.
Most teams including us have had trouble with dumb players hurting our team.
In trouble with the law, unnecessary penalties on the field, causing discord among the players, fights off the field at parties etc., narcissistic, drug use, and just out and out stupid.
It surprises me that young super talented players that have a chance at a good education and maybe make millions of dollars in the pro s, ruin their chances by STUPIDITY.
To be a really good player and team member, there is more than talent involved.
Preseason, I wonder where we stand?.
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The vast majority of what you described is immaturity, not a lack of intelligence.
 
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1 Common sense
2 Intelligence
3 Reaction speed
4 Instinctiveness
5 Natural Speed
6 Attitude
7 Leadership Traits
8 Judgement
9 Discipline
10 Selflessness
In addition, and not necessarily intelligence is the discipline to learn system inside and out which affects reaction speed.
 
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ice said:
I wonder what percentage of our players are intelligent?.
Most teams including us have had trouble with dumb players hurting our team.
In trouble with the law, unnecessary penalties on the field, causing discord among the players, fights off the field at parties etc., narcissistic, drug use, and just out and out stupid.
It surprises me that young super talented players that have a chance at a good education and maybe make millions of dollars in the pro s, ruin their chances by STUPIDITY.
To be a really good player and team member, there is more than talent involved.
Preseason, I wonder where we stand?.
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At that age I could make A's and B's somewhat automatically but I made ridiculous, moronic personal decisions that should have had me buried under the local jail. It was a different era and few if any students could get away with this kind of behavior today. Football players are young adults subject to the same questionable decision-making process but have the added factor of a bright lens shined on them by media. Accountability necessitates a special degree of maturity that we wish everyone would have but that in fact seems kind of rare sometimes.
 
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I'd rather have a smart coaching staff than smart players...

Florida under Urban Meyer could have populated a maximum security prison but they played smart...

We literally had a rocket scientist at QB under Butch Jones but he couldn't run a 2 minute drill against UF in 2015...
 
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Frankly, I more often wonder how many of the FANS are intelligent. Much of the time they seem to be two deviations to the left of the mean. But its probably that way with all fanbases except for Bammers, whose fans skew the averages nearly off the chart.
 
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