Individual Talent in Football (Players who make or break programs)

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I was having a conversation with a friend the other day who is a UGA grad who grew up in Athens. He actually believes this statement is true, "if Georgia had gotten Eric Berry, we would have beaten Florida last year."

Now I do not know about the above statement, but I did start to think about individuals and their impact on programs. Does Florida win the NC without Tebow? I think the answer is no. Does Nebraska win without Crouch? No way. Who are players who are physically gifted enough in your memory to win games that without them the team definitely would have lost. Also who cost their team by being soo bad?

I am not going to say the worst TN player in my lifetime in terms of throwing games away, but it was a RB who fumbled the ball away in soul crushing and game changing ways, taking 75 yard drives and turning them into 6 points for our opponents. Instead I will turn my attention to Alabama.

I was friends with, tutored and played around with lots of TN football players for a time period. I never watched them and thought, "man I could do that better!" However there was someone I did watch and think that about and his name was Freddie Kitchens.

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Kitchens was the starting quarterback for the Alabama Crimson Tide from 1995 to 1997. During his career he threw for 4,668 passing yards and 30 touchdowns. During his three seasons as a starter Alabama went 22-13 and played in the 1993 Gator Bowl, 1994 Citrus Bowl, and the 1996 Outback Bowl. At the time of his departure, he ranked third in the schools history in career passing attempts, fourth in career passing yards and fifth in career completions.

The man is a coach now in the NFL BamaOnLine.com - Where they are now: Freddie Kitchens so he must be pretty smart, but boy was he bad in college. I remember sitting in the end zone at Neyland in wonder as his wide open WR's furiously waved their arms in the end zone and then ran back towards him as he was being sacked. I think he seriously could not throw far enough to hit them. He was fat, slow and did not have a great arm.

When I think of a player physically and emotionally taking over a game in a good way, I think of Vince Young but the QB position is almost too easy to dominate from. At UT Al Wilson dominated. The year that we beat Florida 20-17, Florida may have had a more physically gifted team, but Al needed that victory and he made it happen. He played like a man possessed and made everyone forget about Alex Brown's dominance with an unreal game.

What players can you think of who dominated in a team sport in a good way? What about players who singlehandedly ruined their teams chance to win? Bonus points if you can think of people dominating in good and bad ways from less obvious positions than QB and RB.
 
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Kitchens was indeed a bad QB, but you're wrong about his arm. It was the opposite. He could throw it 80 yards and went about every pass like he was trying to do just that. The only time the receivers ever caught the ball was when it wedged in their facemask. He was supposedly a MLB prospect at pitcher.
 
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Though I'm no longhorn, Vince Young's performance in 2005 was transcendent; man among boys that year. Without him, they don't sniff the national title.
 
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same situation with mark lemke and the braves back in the 90s. if they hadnt had him, there would've been no division title.
 
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I was having a conversation with a friend the other day who is a UGA grad who grew up in Athens. He actually believes this statement is true, "if Georgia had gotten Eric Berry, we would have beaten Florida last year."

Now I do not know about the above statement, but I did start to think about individuals and their impact on programs. Does Florida win the NC without Tebow? I think the answer is no. Does Nebraska win without Crouch? No way. Who are players who are physically gifted enough in your memory to win games that without them the team definitely would have lost. Also who cost their team by being soo bad?

I am not going to say the worst TN player in my lifetime in terms of throwing games away, but it was a RB who fumbled the ball away in soul crushing and game changing ways, taking 75 yard drives and turning them into 6 points for our opponents. Instead I will turn my attention to Alabama.

I was friends with, tutored and played around with lots of TN football players for a time period. I never watched them and thought, "man I could do that better!" However there was someone I did watch and think that about and his name was Freddie Kitchens.

Looking at
Kitchens was the starting quarterback for the Alabama Crimson Tide from 1995 to 1997. During his career he threw for 4,668 passing yards and 30 touchdowns. During his three seasons as a starter Alabama went 22-13 and played in the 1993 Gator Bowl, 1994 Citrus Bowl, and the 1996 Outback Bowl. At the time of his departure, he ranked third in the schools history in career passing attempts, fourth in career passing yards and fifth in career completions.

The man is a coach now in the NFL BamaOnLine.com - Where they are now: Freddie Kitchens so he must be pretty smart, but boy was he bad in college. I remember sitting in the end zone at Neyland in wonder as his wide open WR's furiously waved their arms in the end zone and then ran back towards him as he was being sacked. I think he seriously could not throw far enough to hit them. He was fat, slow and did not have a great arm.

When I think of a player physically and emotionally taking over a game in a good way, I think of Vince Young but the QB position is almost too easy to dominate from. At UT Al Wilson dominated. The year that we beat Florida 20-17, Florida may have had a more physically gifted team, but Al needed that victory and he made it happen. He played like a man possessed and made everyone forget about Alex Brown's dominance with an unreal game.

What players can you think of who dominated in a team sport in a good way? What about players who singlehandedly ruined their teams chance to win? Bonus points if you can think of people dominating in good and bad ways from less obvious positions than QB and RB.

Bad:
Eric Ainge = Bad. He was good, but our team was better. He lost many close games for us.
Arian Foster = Bad. Fumble. Fumble.
Crompton = Bad. Hopefully he can redeem himself.
Our offensive last year = Bad
Our receivers last year = Bad
This list is too depressing to continue with

Good:
Leonard Little - Wilson's superior.
Al Wilson - I need say nothing.
John Henderson (I remember watching that guy cover the entire field laterally.)
Dante Stallworth - It was an automatic six almost every time he caught the ball on a slant.
Peerless Price - Amazing catches. Huge playmaker after catching the ball.
Travis Henry (I'm sorry, Jamal ran for more yards, but Henry was clutch. Jamal was stopped many times. But we ran it down Arkansas throats to win that game to get the NC, and we ran it down Florida's throats too. Jamal struggled with the big possessions and powerhouse in comparison. If you want to argue, Jamal had a better team when he was a Junior but we couldn't win it. We could with Henry.)
 
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If Terrell Farley wasn't a complete drunken psycho, he would have lead Nebraska to their 3rd National Title in a row in '96. Anyone that wishes to argue feel free, but Terrell was one of the biggest gamebreakers CFB has ever seen.

YouTube - Big Red Rock: Terrell Farley
 
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Tommy Frazier and Lawrence Phillips... Also,. Travis Stephens against Florida. Herschel Walker against the world.
 
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Travis Henry (I'm sorry, Jamal ran for more yards, but Henry was clutch. Jamal was stopped many times. But we ran it down Arkansas throats to win that game to get the NC, and we ran it down Florida's throats too. Jamal struggled with the big possessions and powerhouse in comparison. If you want to argue, Jamal had a better team when he was a Junior but we couldn't win it. We could with Henry.)

Jamal was the best running back in the SEC until he hurt his knee at Auburn in 1998... and unfortunately we never got to see him at full speed again.

He had 140 yards rushing in the Auburn game before getting hurt in the 2nd quarter. The guy was on pace to have close to 600 yards after 4 games.

Jamal Lewis was the best back I've ever seen play in the SEC... unfortunately he was only healthy for a little over one season.

In 13 starts he broke 100 yards 10 times, and 200 twice... if he is healthy in 1998, I don't think we have a close game the rest of the season.


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and re: Erik Ainge

Without him playing well we don't get anywhere near the SEC Championship game in 2004 or 2007... our team was NOT better. Our team was incredibly fortunate both years, as Cedric Houston/Jabari Davis/Gerald Riggs never really panned out in 04'... and without him throwing 31 TDs to 10 INTs, heck if he was even average, we probably don't have a winning record in 2007 either.

The guy was a 4 star QB who started for 4 years, threw for almost 9000 yards, 72 TDs, had a passer rating of 134.9, and led us to two SEC title appearances... and it's his fault we didn't win them? With a lesser QB, we wouldn't be having this discussion as we wouldn't have been there to begin with.
 
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Steve Slaton and Pat White vs. Louisville and Georgia in 2005.

Jamal Lewis vs. Georgia in 1997, Alex Brown vs. Tennessee in 1999.

Worst performance I ever saw was from the offensive line of Wyoming vs Tennessee in 1999. 40 rushes for 8 yards, and 13 sacks for -82 yards. Hard to believe that Wyoming team was better than the one that beat us last year(and led us 10-7 in 99').
 
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Jamal Lewis was the best back I've ever seen play in the SEC... unfortunately he was only healthy for a little over one season.


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you must not have seen herschel walker or bo jackson. a lot of tennessee fans i talk to still swear that chuck webb was the best tennessee rb they ever saw.

jamal lewis was good. best ever in the SEC....hardly
 
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No, I didn't get to see Herschel or Bo live... perhaps I should have clarified, but since I didn't I could have just as easily said Beattie Feathers.

And from what I have seen, Herschel may have been the best ever at one point... certainly better than Jackson... The rest of Georgia's team was slightly above average, but he took them to a national title.
 
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Its a team sport, but a handful of individuals make or break a team. Its always been that way. Most important in my mind in college is QB and O-line. You can have all the peices, but if those two are lacking or subpar, you're going nowhere fast.
 
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