In the end, Hamilton may have saved us (football)

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NCAA: Kiffin not compliant at Tennessee - College Football Nation Blog - ESPN

Yes, he hired Kiffin. He screwed up, we all know that. At least he didn't allow Tennessee to go down with the ship. Assuming what is said in this piece rings true, Hamilton and the compliance office did in fact turn state evidence against Lane Kiffin, and may have even worked out a deal (given how the allegations read) that UT (football) is essentially not to be touched. Hiring someone like Dooley, who has run the program with white gloves since day one, certainly helps matters immensly.
 
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Miller and Travis want to spin this as UT manuevered the NCAA in some fashion...I see this differently...the Complicance Office did their job early on...Kiffin didn't listen. UT presented the facts to the 'AA. I am not sure UT had to do anything, at least on most of the issues. If Kiffin hadn't already run afoul of Silve, the 'AA may not have been as kind to UT, (at least up to this point)
 
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If Kiffin didn't quit Hamilton would of been fired by now. Do not make it look like Hamilton saved the football program, because he got an early christmas present when Kiff quit
 
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Regardless of how active Hammy was with influencing the NCAA investigation, looks like the true perpetrator will have to face the music.

We are finally getting some ointment for the STD, maybe it will start to disappear.
 
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volinreallife said:
If Kiffin didn't quit Hamilton would of been fired by now. Do not make it look like Hamilton saved the football program, because he got an early christmas present when Kiff quit
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I don't disagree with that at all, but it seems that he has admitted his mistake behind closed doors and is trying to help the football program move on as quickly as possible.

My overall point is that with all the mistakes he has made up to this point, it seems he has done a very good job during he actual investigation. If UT comes out of this and does not lose any scholarships or get any recruiting restrictions I think many of us would consider that quite a victory.
 
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kdiddie said:
Miller and Travis want to spin this as UT manuevered the NCAA in some fashion...I see this differently...the Complicance Office did their job early on...Kiffin didn't listen. UT presented the facts to the 'AA. I am not sure UT had to do anything, at least on most of the issues. If Kiffin hadn't already run afoul of Silve, the 'AA may not have been as kind to UT, (at least up to this point)
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I also think the point you are making here is a big reason why we haven't seen a "lack of institutional control" charge anywhere-unless I missed something. There was only so much compliance could do-Kiffin had made up his mind that he was going to do his own thing regardless.
 
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It seems to me that there is a resounding assumption from some of the media that the NCAA is extremely malleable; that the school in question is going to be able to manipulate or provide evidence in a manner that it will allow the university to be seen in a much better light. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole point of an NCAA investigation that the institution provides the requested evidence, documents and other accounts of what occurred and then the NCAA is left to draw their own conclusions of the situation?

If we had hard copy proof that the compliance office warned Kiffin, how are we "throwing him under the bus" as opposed to just stating what happened?
 
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kohlrums said:
I also think the point you are making here is a big reason why we haven't seen a "lack of institutional control" charge anywhere-unless I missed something. There was only so much compliance could do-Kiffin had made up his mind that he was going to do his own thing regardless.
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Bingo. I just dislike the media acting like the University did some fancy footwork, etc. to avoid pentalties. Best I can tell, we just told the facts....Kiffin stepped on his own crank by himself
 
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That article = ESPN HATES TN! They are just upset that TN survives and Kiffin looks like he will get hit.

;)
 
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kohlrums said:
NCAA: Kiffin not compliant at Tennessee - College Football Nation Blog - ESPN

Yes, he hired Kiffin. He screwed up, we all know that. At least he didn't allow Tennessee to go down with the ship. Assuming what is said in this piece rings true, Hamilton and the compliance office did in fact turn state evidence against Lane Kiffin, and may have even worked out a deal (given how the allegations read) that UT (football) is essentially not to be touched. Hiring someone like Dooley, who has run the program with white gloves since day one, certainly helps matters immensly.
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Yeah he hired him and everybody went into meltdown mode when he did because this was the guy 95% of the vol nation wanted....He thought he was hiring the right guy for the job...He didn't know that Kiffin would jump ship after one season....I don't hold him responsible for that...Wasn't his fault...What WAS his fault was not monitoring those guys closer when the first bunch of secondary violations were made public, Then he should have put his foot down and done something.
 
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Kiffin will try to throw Tennessee "under the bus" once again. Our FB program is not safe until this whole process is over.
 
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born-n-raisedvol said:
It seems to me that there is a resounding assumption from some of the media that the NCAA is extremely malleable; that the school in question is going to be able to manipulate or provide evidence in a manner that it will allow the university to be seen in a much better light. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole point of an NCAA investigation that the institution provides the requested evidence, documents and other accounts of what occurred and then the NCAA is left to draw their own conclusions of the situation?

If we had hard copy proof that the compliance office warned Kiffin, how are we "throwing him under the bus" as opposed to just stating what happened?
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I noticed that wording in the article to, I thought the same thing as you, UT just provided the information of what happened. (The complience office told Kiff what he could and could not do, LK decided to do it his way anyway)
 
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Just imaging how bad this would be if kiffin was still the coach at UT.
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VOLnMiami said:
What WAS his fault was not monitoring those guys closer when the first bunch of secondary violations were made public, Then he should have put his foot down and done something.
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The compliance office was able to either cover up or pin everything else after the first go round on Kiffin.

They couldn't have done their job better.
 
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kohlrums said:
NCAA: Kiffin not compliant at Tennessee - College Football Nation Blog - ESPN

Yes, he hired Kiffin. He screwed up, we all know that. At least he didn't allow Tennessee to go down with the ship. Assuming what is said in this piece rings true, Hamilton and the compliance office did in fact turn state evidence against Lane Kiffin, and may have even worked out a deal (given how the allegations read) that UT (football) is essentially not to be touched. Hiring someone like Dooley, who has run the program with white gloves since day one, certainly helps matters immensly.
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it also doesn't hurt that dooley is a lawyer and probably can refute anything the ncaa tries to do anyway. i know he can use much bigger words and do the :loco:
 
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volinreallife said:
If Kiffin didn't quit Hamilton would of been fired by now. Do not make it look like Hamilton saved the football program, because he got an early christmas present when Kiff quit
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I was going to say, if anything that looks more like LOIC than anything else!!!!

Especially when you then have to read the blotter on BB.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
Just imaging how bad this would be if kiffin was still the coach at UT.
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I have no inside info but I gotta guess that CDD being our coach has helped us alot. The way Kiffin left shows he had no respect for our program and I think the NCAA want to believe anything bad said about Kiffin. I hope Kiffin goes down too. Guy is a DOUCHE.
 
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strange how haden can rein kiffin in but hamilton couldn't do so for both of his major coaches.
 
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The ONLY way MH comes out looking good on this, is if the AA sends a supplement letter asking for a chart of his fund raising skills.
 
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Lane Kiffin should bear the brunt of whatever penalty comes of these allegations, from a football standpoint. Hamilton (as inept as he may be) hired him and expected him to adhere to not only the guidelines and benchmarks of the Tennessee football program, but of the NCAA as well. Kiffin chose not to, and while many may play the "he was a representative of the University of Tennessee" card, an entire program should not be penalized for the past actions of a man who no longer works there, especially if he left after only one year.

I'm sure the pro-Kiffin crowd will go to every length to dispute this and other similar arguments.
 
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