I'm sorry....

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TNHopeful505 said:
I believe in Dooley. I like the fact we have a well spoken, organized, micro-managing coach, who has good values, is a good recruiter, and believes in our school. Do I think maybe some position coaches need changing? Yes. But I do not think in any way shape or form that we need a new Head Coach.

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Everything you said about dooley I agree with, however it is what you didn't say that is the issue. And that omission is that he is not a good coach and therein lies the problem.
 
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And to further my point....wait until some more depth gets in there.

Nothing to motivate a 1st string 4*, then a 5* waiting to take his place. We did not have that this year at all. Competition is coming though. Defense especially is in for a rude awakening this spring. Santos, McNeil, hopefully Sentimore, Autry, and Jacobs are coming....that should wake some people up.
 
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You really think Poole gave his all this year he had alot of yards after contact didn't he and you think it's good that the streak got broken losing helps next year what about recruiting does it help that?Dooley is in way over his head I will be glad when the young excuse can't be used next year
 
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globadoc said:
Whose responsibility is it to ensure that the young players don't get the big head? The head coach. Whose responsibility is it that the team is ready to play? The head coach. Whose responsibility is it to make sure that Bray, Rogers, Stone, etc develop in their second year? While I'm proud that our off-the-field problems have been minimal (knock on wood), I'm most disappointed in the on-the-field maturity and attitude. And whose responsibility is that?
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You have children?

Reason I ask, is because you know full well if you do, that when they're little, you can tell them to do something, and if they don't, you bust their tail, and they will next time.

But when your child becomes a 6'5'', 300 lb man with a mind for themselves, you can scream at them, cuss at them, maybe tough love them, instruct them all you want. But if they don't care enough or aren't mature enough to know why they need to do it, they aren't.

We are dealing with 6'5, 300 lb children. A whole team of them. And they are talented. And everyone has told them they are. And so, when they met people more talented than they were this year, they didn't know what to do. And so at halftime, they shut down. And Daddy Dooley can tell them what they need to do, and probably did. And probably even made the right adjustments. But if the children did not want to grow a pair, and get out and do what needed to be done, then they wouldn't. And they didn't.

I think when he said that the team "Grew up" a little bit last week, I think he meant that for the first time, when they were challenged by someone who had talent, they fought back a little bit. Like MEN are supposed to.

Get off him, and if or when he is fired, you put in your resume, so we can all gripe about your mistakes that you can't help.
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millst987 said:
Wrong, Dooley is a horrible coach. Do you really believe that a player would say that his coach sucks? He has been out coached in every game this year. He is incapable of making in game changes and can not motivate players. He just isnt that good, face it.
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But wait, did he beat a Mississippi State team when he coached La. Tech? Oh, my bad, this isn't the WAC.
 
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millst987 said:
Wrong, Dooley is a horrible coach. Do you really believe that a player would say that his coach sucks? He has been out coached in every game this year. He is incapable of making in game changes and can not motivate players. He just isnt that good, face it.
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Does CDD make the throws? the catches? the missed tackles? Too many VOL FANs have expected too much with what there has been to work with.. Damn,, why doesn't people watch the games and only post nonsense on what they read??
 
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DoubleDVOL said:
Does CDD make the throws? the catches? the missed tackles? Too many VOL FANs have expected too much with what there has been to work with.. Damn,, why doesn't people watch the games and only post nonsense on what they read??
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People are stupid
 
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DoubleDVOL said:
Does CDD make the throws? the catches? the missed tackles? Too many VOL FANs have expected too much with what there has been to work with.. Damn,, why doesn't people watch the games and only post nonsense on what they read??
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It is his job to ensure everyone does these things.. And when they can not successfully execute basic football maneuvers someone is to blame for the lack of preparation.
 
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iVol4Life said:
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As a matter of fact, I do have kids. Teenagers, god help 'em. When they screw up (as we all did), we get through to them. It's analogous to taking away playing time or adding extra practice for them. Coaches and parents have done the same for centuries.

It's ludicrous to argue that a coach cannot discipline or reach his 2nd-year players because they are young.
 
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globadoc said:
Whose responsibility is it to ensure that the young players don't get the big head? The head coach. Whose responsibility is it that the team is ready to play? The head coach. Whose responsibility is it to make sure that Bray, Rogers, Stone, etc develop in their second year? While I'm proud that our off-the-field problems have been minimal (knock on wood), I'm most disappointed in the on-the-field maturity and attitude. And whose responsibility is that?
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Ha. That post is borderline funny.

Yes, try and stop a quarterback like Tyler Bray from getting the big head. You know how you get a quarterback like Tyler from getting the big head? You don't. He gets one when he throws the game losing interception vs. UNC. He gets one when he throws a pick 6 to Vandy. He gets one when he blows a game to Kentucky.

How do you get a Da'Rick Rogers to not get a big head? You don't. He gets one when he drops that pass. When he fumbles a potential touchdown. When he gets shut down all night.

And where does that come from? Games like today. NOT from Dooley. Guarantee you, Rajion Neal feels terrible right now...missing that snap because he was looking at where he was going, and not focusing. That's a head deflater.

Whose responsibility is it to get the team ready to play? I completely agree that it is the Head Coaches responsibility to prepare the team physically, to ensure the best players are on the field, and to come up with a gameplan. But the head coach cannot make them execute. And with the depth we have or don't have, the coach can't just jerk someone in and put someone of only slightly less quality in, until they get their act together. Not this year, we couldn't.

As far as development....are you serious? Stone, I'll give you that one. He didn't need to be playing center this year. He did a good job last year, though left handed. The coaches should have either left it be, or got someone altogether different. But you're seriously going to ask about Bray's development??? Bray could have easily been the best QB in the conference this year had he not gotten injured. His maturity level was up, his demeanor was calm, there was no loco signs or flashiness. He was all business. He was playing better than ever pre-injury. In the last two games, yes he was rusty, and probably shouldn't have played. But he gave our team the best chance to win, and so I can't knock the coaches on that. Plus, you couldn't keep him off the field.

Rogers? Did you seriously just say Da'Rick Rogers didn't develop this year? Da'Rick who had 11 catches for 167 yards in 13 games for 2 touchdowns last year? I'm pretty sure this season, at least before today, he had 67 catches for 1040 yards and 9 TDs, and averaged 15.5 yards EVERY TIME HE CAUGHT THE BALL! And oh yeah, that's being the number one receiver. Let's not think about if Hunter was there (Hunter who also developed well, pre-injury, having 314 yards, 2 TD's in only two games) and Da'Rick wasn't the main target.

I'm super glad that Dooley is bringing in high quality guys and that there's been no major trouble as in previous eras. But if you think that 1-2 years with Dooley teaching them to fight for their position is going to undo 18 years of them having the ball handed to them 9 out of 10 plays because of their talent, then you my friend are crazy.

Insane post. Can't believe you even went there. BTW, had Da'Rick got 100 yards today, he would have tied a record with some of UT's most famous receivers. And he didn't develop. Holy cow, you went there.
 
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globadoc said:
As a matter of fact, I do have kids. Teenagers, god help 'em. When they screw up (as we all did), we get through to them. It's analogous to taking away playing time or adding extra practice for them. Coaches and parents have done the same for centuries.

It's ludicrous to argue that a coach cannot discipline or reach his 2nd-year players because they are young.
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No, it isn't. Being a teenager, I can tell you that parents can't always get through to their kids. This applies to coaches and players as well.
 
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globadoc said:
As a matter of fact, I do have kids. Teenagers, god help 'em. When they screw up (as we all did), we get through to them. It's analogous to taking away playing time or adding extra practice for them. Coaches and parents have done the same for centuries.

It's ludicrous to argue that a coach cannot discipline or reach his 2nd-year players because they are young.
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Take away playing time?!?! Oh that's a great idea. Yes, when Tyler Bray starts screwing up, let's take his playing time and give it to...Simms? Nance? Worley? Would that make it better?

When Art Evans screws up, let's give his playing time to...C.J. Fleming?

Dang...should have tried that. I'm sure that would have been the better move. Made us all happy!
 
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I am not going to jump on the "excuse band wagon" like other fans are doing. Fact is, Dooley did a horrible job this year. Yeah, Dooley is a great person and I like his personality. However, that doesn't excuse Dooley from his poor coaching efforts over the past year. Franklin did more with mf'n VANDY in less time and with much less talent at the helm! Quit making excuses for his failures! This is mf'n TENNESSEE FOOTBALL!!! We do not except failure and do not make excuses for horrible performances.
 
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millst987 said:
I am not going to jump on the "excuse band wagon" like other fans are doing. Fact is, Dooley did a horrible job this year. Yeah, Dooley is a great person and I like his personality. However, that doesn't excuse Dooley from his poor coaching efforts over the past year. Franklin did more with mf'n VANDY in less time and with much less talent at the helm! Quit making excuses for his failures! This is mf'n TENNESSEE FOOTBALL!!! We do not except failure and do not make excuses for horrible performances.
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The truth =/= excuses
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
I can't agree with you when Tauren Poole, a PLAYER for Dooley, a man who most of you have never met, said that it was the players who came out and didn't want to play. He didn't say bad playcalls. He said, "WE didn't execute."
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This is a coaching issue. If a coach can't inspire 19-20 year old football players to play football he is in the wrong business.
 
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millst987 said:
I am not going to jump on the "excuse band wagon" like other fans are doing. Fact is, Dooley did a horrible job this year. Yeah, Dooley is a great person and I like his personality. However, that doesn't excuse Dooley from his poor coaching efforts over the past year. Franklin did more with mf'n VANDY in less time and with much less talent at the helm! Quit making excuses for his failures! This is mf'n TENNESSEE FOOTBALL!!! We do not except failure and do not make excuses for horrible performances.
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Telling it like it is. We lost to a horrible team today and looked pathetic doing it. When people say 7 wins would be acceptable next week year it kills me. This is not what I have come to expect in my 30 years of attending Volunteer games. I bleed orange and today broke my heart.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
But I just cannot agree with you people who are calling for Dooley's head.

I can't agree with you when Tauren Poole, a PLAYER for Dooley, a man who most of you have never met, said that it was the players who came out and didn't want to play. He didn't say bad playcalls. He said, "WE didn't execute."

I can't agree with you when Malik Jackson, a PLAYER for Dooley, though only with him for two years, says about him that he's doing things right, and that he's getting the team built right, and that the players need to grow up.

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Yeah yeah yeah, blame the players...we've heard this script before. I didn't see you on here saying Dooley had nothing to do with the Vanderbilt win because Da'rick Rogers made an amazing catch in the end zone on 4th and goal to keep us in it. Getting players to play is the coach's responsibility. If you're going to give him credit for the wins, he has to take the blame for the losses.
 
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millst987 said:
I am not going to jump on the "excuse band wagon" like other fans are doing. Fact is, Dooley did a horrible job this year. Yeah, Dooley is a great person and I like his personality. However, that doesn't excuse Dooley from his poor coaching efforts over the past year. Franklin did more with mf'n VANDY in less time and with much less talent at the helm! Quit making excuses for his failures! This is mf'n TENNESSEE FOOTBALL!!! We do not except failure and do not make excuses for horrible performances.
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I don't think anyone is saying we accept failure. I'm not okay with this season. I'm not happy about the fact that we just had two back to back losing seasons at all. Nobody is. Accepting something means that you're okay with it being how it is, and don't want it to get better.

This season is done. We lost games. Several of them. Some arguably that we should have lost, and some that we should have won. But it is what it is. Nobody is saying that we don't want improvement. We do. What team doesn't?

And I don't think that anyone necessarily is making excuses. The only people that shouldn't make excuses are the players. They have no excuse to not give 100% for Tennessee, and to not work their tail off. But, because of their youth and immaturity, they did lose. Those aren't excuses. They are facts. This team is young and immature. We saw glimpses of talent, and confused that with maturity. That's where we messed up. This team has talent. But maturity is where comebacks come from. Maturity is where half time adjustments come from. Maturity is where selflessness comes from. This team did not possess that this year. And while you may view that as an excuse, I don't. I view it as a fact. While it doesn't show on paper, the halftime adjustments do. And the way that the team went south while Bray and Hunter was gone. Look at the Florida game, and tell me immaturity didn't show when Hunter went down? The ONLY thing that held the team together was that Bray grew up between last season and this one. Once Bray went down, you saw it. Immaturity all over.

Fact or excuse, whatever you want to call it. But it is what it is, and it led us to a losing season. If it happens next year, after all that these boys have seen the past two years, then maybe I will be calling for some heads. But as long as our boys are learning to fight back and use the talent the got, and show some maturity, I think Dooley will have us in the position to win a lot of games.
 
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iVol4Life said:
No, it isn't. Being a teenager, I can tell you that parents can't always get through to their kids. This applies to coaches and players as well.
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You can't replace parents that do a bad job of teaching/motivation. Your can replace coaches.
 
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oregonvol said:
Yeah yeah yeah, blame the players...we've heard this script before. I didn't see you on here saying Dooley had nothing to do with the Vanderbilt win because Da'rick Rogers made an amazing catch in the end zone on 4th and goal to keep us in it. Getting players to play is the coach's responsibility. If you're going to give him credit for the wins, he has to take the blame for the losses.
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Who says he necessarily gets credit for every win? There are really four types of games:

1) Games where we win, because players played well, and coaches called a good game plan.

2) Games where we win, because players played well, despite bad play calling.

3) Games where we lose, because players didn't play well, despite good play calling.

4) Games where we lose, because players played well, despite bad play calling.

I mean, that's it. Coaches prepare their boys as best they can. The coaches can call great plays, and exploit holes, but if the players don't block, run, pass, catch, defend, etc., would it matter? Coaches can't do magic. That's on players knowing the system and doing what they're supposed to do. If position coaches are doing what they need to do to help players develop there, then great.

But players can play great, and be talented, and coaches call terrible plays. It doesn't matter sometimes how talented you are, if your coaches call bad plays that go right into the defenses plan, you're done for. That's bad coaching.

While I believe that Chaney's playcalling was not that great, I don't believe that many of the losses this year was coaches fault. I believe many was from the offensive line not blocking like they should. From the defense not tackling like they should. How many plays were just terrible playcalls, and how many were players dropping balls, missing blocks, or blowing tackles?

I only judge coaches on two things: (I may be weird in this). 1) How they recruit. 2) How they call plays, and gameplan.

I feel like Dooley is a great recruiter. I don't think Chaney is the answer at OC, but at the same time, I don't think that playcalling was the reason for our losses this year. Therefore, I'm not hanging anything on Dooley. He is not the one playing.
 
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VFL1953 said:
You can't replace parents that do a bad job of teaching/motivation. Your can replace coaches.
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It holds true for the majority of teen/parent relationships. Nothing to do with parental quality. No reason to believe it's a problem with the coach unless it happens with the majority.
 
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