I'm not one for conspiracy theories..

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and I've never blamed the refs for losses, but tonight's UK-MSU game was awfully.....suspicious, I guess might be the word, to me in a lot of respects.

I've come to expect calls at home and games with uneven officiating, but I rarely see what I saw in Starkville. First of all, the overtime was just atrocious. The worst was the Patterson "block", the most egregious of all the calls. Then you have the goaltending, the "fouls" on Wall (The second one looked less suspicious except for the lateness of the call) and Vanardo fouling out while Cousins mauls half the gym.

Furthering the situation was the ESPN crew, who sheepishly noted the most obvious bad calls on UK (Although, saying "that could've gone either way" on the Patterson play was absurd. I've seen any number of commentators go apes**t on those type plays.) without really noting the horrendus officiating balance, yet decided to excorriate the MSU crowd for much of the postgame show. I guess, if I bought into certain theories, I might note Jimmy Dykes was a UK Assistant at one time. But, anyway.

Again, I don't buy into many conspiracy theories and I doubt there's some kind of SEC-ESPN directive to protect Kentucky (Or Alabama football, for that matter). However, I do find it kind of......odd, I'll just say.
 
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the goaltending was a tough call to make. that happens in the blink of an eye so that is excusable. the fouls on wall were a little iffy though.
 
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The home team generally gets those calls. I hate KY and JC but there were three absolutely pathetic calls late in the game when it was critical!
 
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Must admit i thought the same thing on all the calls you mentioned. The "charging " call on Chism against Wall was horrible in so many ways and was a big turning point in that game as well.
 
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I'm ordinarily opposed to the "we lost because the officiating sucked" mentality, but Rick Stansberry's squad got absolutely screwed tonight, IMHO.
 
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DowntownVol said:
I'm ordinarily opposed to the "we lost because the officiating sucked" mentality, but Rick Stansberry's squad got absolutely screwed tonight, IMHO.
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Yeah, it was the officials who rendered State unable to throw it in the ocean from the time they went up 65-60 til the end of regulation.
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Something I'd like to see change is replays. Specifically the "block shot" that should have been called goaltending. If refs are going to take the time to get the exact time right at the end of games and delay the game, then in certain cases such as these, which is a critical time in the game, these type of situations should be replayable. Either by a coaches appeal or something. Something like that should not occur. Imagine if that was for the National Championship or something.... can u imagine the outrage??? Just ridiculous.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, it was the officials who rendered State unable to throw it in the ocean from the time they went up 65-60 til the end of regulation.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you, Hat, but do you play Devil's Advocate just to spite the seemingly overwhelming majority?
 
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I don't know if everyone is aware, but this loss for Miss. St. is not only a big loss for them, but it's actually a big loss for us. I mean think about it, if the SEC were to stay as it is right now in the standings, we'd be playing LSU in round one, then would play Miss St., and to me I believe we would have a much better chance of losing to Miss. St. than we would have against Arkansas, which is whom we would have played if Miss. St. had won this game. I know the season is far from over the the standings could change, but all I'm saying is if we finish where we are in the East, we want Miss. St. to finish in 1st in the West so that they are in the opposite bracket of the SEC tourney as us.
 
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JoseDaMofo said:
I don't necessarily disagree with you, Hat, but do you play Devil's Advocate just to spite the seemingly overwhelming majority?
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Stick around a while. You'll soon stop thinking hatvol96's posts are worth reading. The problem is that he will post some creative observations about the games and such, seemingly grounded and certainly knowledgeable, but then 3 minutes later, he will post some ludicrous rant about wishing someone or maybe an entire team would die some horrible death because of some obscure something that happened back in 1968 and such as this. For me, it takes the usefulness out of his quality posts because they are mixed with sudden and inexplicable idiocy. Have you ever been around a dire alcoholic who is cool and normal one minute, then gets a couple drinks in him and, like flipping a switch, becomes suddenly impossible to be around? Hatvol's exactly like that.
 
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I hate saying this just for my pure love of basketball and sport in general, but I think there is some... support... or influence you could say in college sports these days. Football was a great example. For the SEC to maximize it's earning potential it needed to have 2 undefeated teams going into the SEC Championship with 1 then in the National title game as well as the other 8 bowl eligible teams. If either Florida or Bama had a loss or two and then beat the other in Atlanta, then the SEC would have lost millions by not having a team in the Nat'l Champ.

I'm fearing the same, in a different sense, in basketball. ESPN has to have viewers for their Super Tuesday and Big Wednesday lineups and with the SEC a bit down compared to the Big East and Big 12, they must have UK and Vandy winning, and as long as we'e ranked then on paper it looks like two ranked teams in tv while hopefully (for espn) drawing national attention to UK's dominance and Vandy's surprisingly solid season.

LOVE the 3 game FT stat because for a game or even 2 a team may either get to the line a lot or struggle to... over 3 games it's a solid pattern of uneven officiating.
 
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Let's also not forget... It's a business, it's not college basketball that the SEC or ESPN truly care about. I hate to be that cold about it, but we're talking millions and millions of dollars. TV ads, apparel sales, sponsorship, nike v adidas... millions and millions of dollars
 
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TNLawVol said:
Let's also not forget... It's a business, it's not college basketball that the SEC or ESPN truly care about. I hate to be that cold about it, but we're talking millions and millions of dollars. TV ads, apparel sales, sponsorship, nike v adidas... millions and millions of dollars
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Ask Marcus Camby, Dajuan Wagner, and Derrick Rose about this. I just started reading on the whole Worldwide Wes thing, and I am intrigued/disgusted. It appears that Calipari is nothing more than a sports agent disguised as a coach...
 
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Oh it's a straight up conspiracy. I don't see any other reason that UK continues to be the benefit of such horrific officiating.

I seriously think Mike Slive has something to do with these officials protecting his top teams. We saw it with Florida and Alabama this year in football, and now Kentucky in basketball.
 
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TNLawVol said:
I hate saying this just for my pure love of basketball and sport in general, but I think there is some... support... or influence you could say in college sports these days. Football was a great example. For the SEC to maximize it's earning potential it needed to have 2 undefeated teams going into the SEC Championship with 1 then in the National title game as well as the other 8 bowl eligible teams. If either Florida or Bama had a loss or two and then beat the other in Atlanta, then the SEC would have lost millions by not having a team in the Nat'l Champ.

I'm fearing the same, in a different sense, in basketball. ESPN has to have viewers for their Super Tuesday and Big Wednesday lineups and with the SEC a bit down compared to the Big East and Big 12, they must have UK and Vandy winning, and as long as we'e ranked then on paper it looks like two ranked teams in tv while hopefully (for espn) drawing national attention to UK's dominance and Vandy's surprisingly solid season.

LOVE the 3 game FT stat because for a game or even 2 a team may either get to the line a lot or struggle to... over 3 games it's a solid pattern of uneven officiating.
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Don’t think the conspiracy is that deep. It’s just human nature to subconsciously favor the perceived “superstar”. As I read once about Ted Williams when he took a border line pitch on a 3-2 count it was a base on ball. Not an umpire in the league was going to ring him up because he was Ted Williams and had the best “eye” of any hitter who ever lived. I think a lot of that is happening with the Wall kid at Kentucky. He’s the next “Jordon”, No. 1 pick in next years NBA draft; if he drives the lane and anyone so much as breathes on him it’s a foul. Conversely as another poster noted when he stepped under Chism and dang near broke his hip it’s a charge. Some teams, Kentucky, Duke, etc. get the same type “consideration”. The Vols got a little of that in their 1998 football run. If Miss. State or us Vols want some – go 24-1 and have a top 2 ranking. Then in that split second in which the official has to put his hands on his hips for a block or give that “first down” move for a charge it will go your way 7 out of 10 times. :wink:
 
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