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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Dobbs will be better and you'll be apologizing to me.

Watson has some RG3 to him. Super talent but brittle. He got injured in high school as a senior. Injured as a freshmen in college last year. This year is actually the first time he stayed healthy for an entire season.

Dobbs on the other hand has LeBron James-esque durability.

That is what will separate the 2 going forward.
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You can't possibly believe this. That's it, you're now officially a troll.

What actually had separated and will continue to separate the two is Watson's superior talent to throw a football. Watson's also a better runner, but marginally so IMO. The other thing that will separate them after next year is likely about 3 rounds of the NFL draft.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The similarities between Dobbs and Watson is bizzare. Born in the same year. From the same city. Similar size, similar skills. They even look similar. Both facially and in their gait when they run.

The differences are also stark. One was a 5 star. The other less heralded. One becomes a star instantly. The other has to buy his time.

When you get something like this, one will be a star on the next level while the other will disappoint. And its usually the one who is less heralded and has the slower start. That is why I'm confident Dobbs will surpass him in the end. I think it'll be durability that ultimately separates the two.
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Dobbs will have a great career in the private sector whether Watson makes it as a pro or not. Dobbs will not catch or pass him on the football field.
 
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Watson is the better passer. Accurate, good reads, serious power in his arm. Just freaking amazing.

Dobbs is the better strategist. Makes better decisions, and knows what weapons will work best for situations. He has a brilliant mind for the game and is always aware of where he is and what he needs.

As runners, I think they're about even as far as speed and manueverability. Both are incredible athletes.

And both have the heart and the guts to put the team on their backs and force something good to happen. Definite similarities between them but they each bring different strengths to the table.
 
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mscelinaVol said:
Watson is the better passer. Accurate, good reads, serious power in his arm. Just freaking amazing.

Dobbs is the better strategist. Makes better decisions, and knows what weapons will work best for situations. He has a brilliant mind for the game and is always aware of where he is and what he needs.

As runners, I think they're about even as far as speed and manueverability. Both are incredible athletes.

And both have the heart and the guts to put the team on their backs and force something good to happen. Definite similarities between them but they each bring different strengths to the table.
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Dobbs is the better "strategist" and makes better decisions? Based on what? Examples? Dobbs by and large makes good decisions, but what evidence is there that he does this better than Watson? And what do you mean by "strategist"?

Bottom line, Watson led his team to a 14-1 record vs Dobbs' 9-4.... Watson threw for nearly double the yards, a much better completion %, 20 more tds, ran for nearly 500 more yards. There are similarities and each has his strengths....but it's abundantly clear who the better QB is at this point...it's Watson and it's really not very close.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Dobbs will be better and you'll be apologizing to me.

Watson has some RG3 to him. Super talent but brittle. He got injured in high school as a senior. Injured as a freshmen in college last year. This year is actually the first time he stayed healthy for an entire season.

Dobbs on the other hand has LeBron James-esque durability.

That is what will separate the 2 going forward.
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Hahahaha you're so delusional it's almost sad
 
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KBVol said:
Dobbs is the better "strategist" and makes better decisions? Based on what? Examples? Dobbs by and large makes good decisions, but what evidence is there that he does this better than Watson? And what do you mean by "strategist"?

Bottom line, Watson led his team to a 14-1 record vs Dobbs' 9-4.... Watson threw for nearly double the yards, a much better completion %, 20 more tds, ran for nearly 500 more yards. There are similarities and each has his strengths....but it's abundantly clear who the better QB is at this point...it's Watson and it's really not very close.
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Your overeliance on stats is humorous.

I'm guessing you thought RG3 was a better QB than Russell Wilson or Andrew Luck as a rookie because he put up better stats? Or Von Miller better than JJ Watt cause he put up better stats as a rookie? There's a lot of time left in both players careers. Single season stats this early mean NOTHING.

There's little that separates Dobbs and Watson based on the eye test. One is a slighty more polished passer while the other is slighty more powerful runner. The major difference between the two is one has a coach who rides him while the other hides him.

I'll keep repeating this till I'm blue in the face. The only 2 times since the 2014 Alabama game where Butch Jones was forced to throw away his game plan because we faced huge deficits, Dobbs had HISTORIC statistical games. 2014 South Carolina and 2015 Georgia. Both games were over 400 yards total offense and 5 TDs. Even against Alabama in 2014 he played exceptional after Butch spotted Bama 21 points and was forced to scrap the game plan and put the game in Josh's hands.

I have no doubt that if given the chances Watson has had, Josh could put up similar numbers. Talent is just about even between them.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Your overeliance on stats is humorous.

I'm guessing you thought RG3 was a better QB than Russell Wilson or Andrew Luck as a rookie because he put up better stats? Or Von Miller better than JJ Watt cause he put up better stats as a rookie? There's a lot of time left in both players careers. Single season stats this early mean NOTHING.

There's little that separates Dobbs and Watson based on the eye test. One is a slighty more polished passer while the other is slighty more powerful runner. The major difference between the two is one has a coach who rides him while the other hides him.

I'll keep repeating this till I'm blue in the face. The only 2 times since the 2014 Alabama game where Butch Jones was forced to throw away his game plan because we faced huge deficits, Dobbs had HISTORIC statistical games. 2014 South Carolina and 2015 Georgia. Both games were over 400 yards total offense and 5 TDs. Even against Alabama in 2014 he played exceptional after Butch spotted Bama 21 points and was forced to scrap the game plan and put the game in Josh's hands.

I have no doubt that if given the chances Watson has had, Josh could put up similar numbers. Talent is just about even between them.
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Then you're blind as a bat champ. The eye test tells most non-sycophants that Josh routinely struggles with his consistency and accuracy throwing the ball....while "the eye test" tells the majority of us not named DB4 that Watson throws the ball on a elite level. He made throws vs Alabama that Josh just never has shown the ability to do.

And while stats arent everything chief, they're the best objective measure, by far, that we have to define how well a player is performing. Kinda like sales for a salesman. When discussing great players during games, at the Heisman ceremony, in articles, on sports radio.....what do people point to to define how good a player is, how deserving of an award a player is? Hint for you...rarely, if ever, does anybody mention D4H's great, unique, outstanding eye for talent. It's their statistics hoss....Jalen's yards rushing and TDs, JRM's tackles, Barnett's sacks, Dobbs' total yards throwing and running vs Georgia.

And I find it awfully ironic that you constantly harp at me about how overrated stats are....and then you use stats to make your points in propping up Josh. Lol. Hypocrite much?

Finally, you should just keep on guessing as that is pretty much the essence of who you are on here. It appears that, despite your arrogance in preaching to everybody about your brilliance in talent evaluation and personnel, that pretty much all you do is guess....just a whole lot of uneducating guessing. Athletic ability between Watson and Dobbs is fairly similar.....but with regards to the actual skill and ability to accurately throw a football, Watson is a light year or two ahead of Josh.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Your overeliance on stats is humorous.

I'm guessing you thought RG3 was a better QB than Russell Wilson or Andrew Luck as a rookie because he put up better stats? Or Von Miller better than JJ Watt cause he put up better stats as a rookie? There's a lot of time left in both players careers. Single season stats this early mean NOTHING.

There's little that separates Dobbs and Watson based on the eye test. One is a slighty more polished passer while the other is slighty more powerful runner. The major difference between the two is one has a coach who rides him while the other hides him.

I'll keep repeating this till I'm blue in the face. The only 2 times since the 2014 Alabama game where Butch Jones was forced to throw away his game plan because we faced huge deficits, Dobbs had HISTORIC statistical games. 2014 South Carolina and 2015 Georgia. Both games were over 400 yards total offense and 5 TDs. Even against Alabama in 2014 he played exceptional after Butch spotted Bama 21 points and was forced to scrap the game plan and put the game in Josh's hands.

I have no doubt that if given the chances Watson has had, Josh could put up similar numbers. Talent is just about even between them.
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It seems, by your handle, that you are thinking with your heart and not your head. Based on what I have seen, Watson is head and shoulders the better QB and NFL prospect. That doesn't mean that Dobbs can't be better. Part of Dobbs problem is the offensive line and another part is the receivers. It's not too far fetched that Dobbs could be the better NFL player, but if I was a betting man, right now, I'm picking Watson.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Your overeliance on stats is humorous.

I'm guessing you thought RG3 was a better QB than Russell Wilson or Andrew Luck as a rookie because he put up better stats? Or Von Miller better than JJ Watt cause he put up better stats as a rookie? There's a lot of time left in both players careers. Single season stats this early mean NOTHING.

There's little that separates Dobbs and Watson based on the eye test. One is a slighty more polished passer while the other is slighty more powerful runner. The major difference between the two is one has a coach who rides him while the other hides him.

I'll keep repeating this till I'm blue in the face. The only 2 times since the 2014 Alabama game where Butch Jones was forced to throw away his game plan because we faced huge deficits, Dobbs had HISTORIC statistical games. 2014 South Carolina and 2015 Georgia. Both games were over 400 yards total offense and 5 TDs. Even against Alabama in 2014 he played exceptional after Butch spotted Bama 21 points and was forced to scrap the game plan and put the game in Josh's hands.

I have no doubt that if given the chances Watson has had, Josh could put up similar numbers. Talent is just about even between them.
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Agree 100%. I would love to see the coaching staff turn dobbs loose. We win the uf and ou game if we don't get conservative in the 4th. Let the kid play his game and everyone will benefit. They let dobbs play his type of game and we win the ou and uf game by 20+.
 
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turdherder11 said:
Agree 100%. I would love to see the coaching staff turn dobbs loose. We win the uf and ou game if we don't get conservative in the 4th. Let the kid play his game and everyone will benefit. They let dobbs play his type of game and we win the ou and uf game by 20+.
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And I actually agree with the idea of the coaches turning Dobbs loose a little more and letting him play, trusting him more to make plays for them. SCar 2014 and last year's Georgia games come to mind. That being said, they also let Josh throw 31 passes vs Oklahoma and 36 passes vs Arky...we lost both and Dobbs threw the ball poorly in both games.

I'm a Dobbs fan, always have been, always will be. Love the kid and that he's the face of the program. Kid's a dynamic playmaker. I'm just not a blind homer sycophant like D4H who refuses to see that as good as Josh is, there are simply better qbs out there....namely, for the purposes of our conversations, Deshaun Watson, who is elite and arguably the best QB in the country. Josh was the 4th best QB in the SEC last year....not the best QB in the world like D4H constantly tries to get peopl to believe.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Dobbs will be better and you'll be apologizing to me.

Watson has some RG3 to him. Super talent but brittle. He got injured in high school as a senior. Injured as a freshmen in college last year. This year is actually the first time he stayed healthy for an entire season.

Dobbs on the other hand has LeBron James-esque durability.

That is what will separate the 2 going forward.
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That plus every other QB statistical category. You are delusional on your opinion of Dobbs. He's a great kid, leader, representative of the university, scholar, etc. I love the kid, BUT he possesses limited instincts and skills as a QB, when it comes to throwing the ball at this level.
 
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volsportsfan said:
If UT doesn't get their down field ( at least 5 yards pass the los ) pass game fixed, we will not be playoff material!

How is Clemson gouging Bama? They are balanced run and pass, but they are executing the pass game. Something we are poor at.
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Yep, Bama has been poor at pass defense all year. And they're vulnerable to spread offenses...truth.
 
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Just have to bump this thread. Clemson is begging any team that will listen, to learn from them. They have the blue print for putting up yards and points against bama.
Gotta execute the throw game against them. Don't give up on the run game, can't be one dimensional, but you gotta execute the throw game to beat this bama defense.
 
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A good SLOT receiver makes the passing game loads better. Both Manning and Brady practically made their careers throwing to slot receivers and TEs, in addition to WRs. Brady's main target for 5 years as been the slot guy. If you've got a good slot guy along with a couple of wideouts and a TE who can catch, you will be hard to defend in the pass game. Combine that with a QB who can run and you've got an offense. The Clemson slot guy had how many catches tonight--a bunch, including the game winner (illegal pick play), and he had a bunch in last year's title game. It's hard to cover a good slot receiver---run deke a DB, cut, catch a 7-yard pass, run 7 yards after catch, first down. All day.
 
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armchair said:
A good SLOT receiver makes the passing game loads better. Both Manning and Brady practically made their careers throwing to slot receivers and TEs, in addition to WRs. Brady's main target for 5 years as been the slot guy. If you've got a good slot guy along with a couple of wideouts and a TE who can catch, you will be hard to defend in the pass game. Combine that with a QB who can run and you've got an offense. The Clemson slot guy had how many catches tonight--a bunch, including the game winner (illegal pick play), and he had a bunch in last year's title game. It's hard to cover a good slot receiver---run deke a DB, cut, catch a 7-yard pass, run 7 yards after catch, first down. All day.
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If you have matchup advantages in the pass game, utilize them. That is what clemson does to everyone, including bama.

It shouldn't surprise me though, Dabo was a wr in college and a wr coach in college. He knows how to teach rec's the position and how to get open. The man is turning into a dang fine coach
 
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All off season all I heard was how much better our pass game was uhhhhh it wasn't good enough.... all these hitches and short routes won't be gone unless loser Lyle is gone
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
All off season all I heard was how much better our pass game was uhhhhh it wasn't good enough.... all these hitches and short routes won't be gone unless loser Lyle is gone
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Actually our offense looks a lot like clemsons. We need that great receiver like Williams, but overall similar short passing and running. Watson is good but Dobbs isn't far behind IMO.
 
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99bubble said:
Actually our offense looks a lot like clemsons. We need that great receiver like Williams, but overall similar short passing and running. Watson is good but Dobbs isn't far behind IMO.
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What did you and I watch the same game, Clemson used a ton of misdirection, threw slants to the middle of the field, didn't call a bunch of obvious hb screens, and actually threw the ball past the first down marker on third down, the offenses are nothing similar
 
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Dobbs avg 8.3 yds a pass. That's not all quick screens and backs to the flats. You don't get nearly 3000 yds from passes thrown behind the line of scrimmage.
 
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volsportsfan said:
Just have to bump this thread. Clemson is begging any team that will listen, to learn from them. They have the blue print for putting up yards and points against bama.
Gotta execute the throw game against them. Don't give up on the run game, can't be one dimensional, but you gotta execute the throw game to beat this bama defense.
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tend to agree...if you have a D that can keep you in the game and run 90+ plays you can beat UA.

Clemson took their lumps in the 1st half but kept swinging....UA's D was flat wore out at towards the end of the 3rd and Watson had his way with them.

Good game by both teams....glad Clemson was able to pull it out.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Dobbs will be better and you'll be apologizing to me.

Watson has some RG3 to him. Super talent but brittle. He got injured in high school as a senior. Injured as a freshmen in college last year. This year is actually the first time he stayed healthy for an entire season.

Dobbs on the other hand has LeBron James-esque durability.

That is what will separate the 2 going forward.
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Watson took a beating vs Alabama and still made plays. His toughness or durability doesn't deserve to be questioned.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
What did you and I watch the same game, Clemson used a ton of misdirection, threw slants to the middle of the field, didn't call a bunch of obvious hb screens, and actually threw the ball past the first down marker on third down, the offenses are nothing similar
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Exactly. Dobbs cant pass the ball close to as well as watson and our offensive playbook doesnt come close to being as effective as theirs either. The only thing we have on them is kamara. They have vastly superior coaches.
 
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