If you think some of our fans are critical.....

[hatvol96]

I spent today at the Temple -Fordham game in Philadelphia. You guys think I'm tough on Fulmer, come sit with the fans in Philly. The building was about 1/3 full, and everyone there was all over John Chaney. So they're ripping the guy who single handedly took them from being a nice little regional program to a player on the national scene. I think that's far more ridiculous than any criticism Fulmer receives.

 

[tidwell]

Well... did he send in a guy to break another player's arm again today?

 

[BIG T]

Well... did he send in a guy to break another player's arm again today?

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[rockydoc]

Or threaten to kill another rival coach(Calipari).

 

[hatvol96]

Well... did he send in a guy to break another player's arm again today?

I would expect just that type of brilliant response from one of the lead Fulmerites. No, he spent a good portion of the day celebrating the final home game of three kids who will become the first members of their families to receive a college degree, like many of Chaney's players. However, I wouldn't expect the Fulmerites to care about that. They're more concerned about defending a coach with a bloated salary, who spends more time concoting ways to play Inspector Clouseau for the NCAA than he does diversifying his offense, and whose Stepford wife spends all her time telling all her country club friends how distasteful she finds the unwashed masses she and King Phil have to deal with as part of "their" job. Don't think she's returned one of hubby's checks yet, though.

 

[hatvol96]

Or threaten to kill another rival coach(Calipari).

Oh, now you guys are defending Cal? When I see him in Vegas this summer, I'll have to pass that along.

 

[tidwell]

For the record, I haven't been involved in ONE Fulmer squabble on this board. :thumbsup:

 

[hatvol96]

For the record, I haven't been involved in ONE Fulmer squabble on this board. :thumbsup:

I'll take you at your word. Strike the initial part of the post. I stand by the rest of my comments.

 

[GAVol]

I would expect just that type of brilliant response from one of the lead Fulmerites. No, he spent a good portion of the day celebrating the final home game of three kids who will become the first members of their families to receive a college degree, like many of Chaney's players. However, I wouldn't expect the Fulmerites to care about that. They're more concerned about defending a coach with a bloated salary, who spends more time concoting ways to play Inspector Clouseau for the NCAA than he does diversifying his offense, and whose Stepford wife spends all her time telling all her country club friends how distasteful she finds the unwashed masses she and King Phil have to deal with as part of "their" job. Don't think she's returned one of hubby's checks yet, though.

Attaway to change the subject. You managed to get from Chaney sending a goon out like a hitman all the way to Vicky Fulmer's social patterns. That may be the red herring of all time. :thumbsup:

 

[HotlantaVol]

I'll take you at your word. Strike the initial part of the post. I stand by the rest of my comments.

Hey Hatvol,

What's the deal? I've only been on this board a short time, but I've seen you getting into it with tons of members with very little, if any, provocation. Also, continuing to throw around people's names, and/or the places that you visit, is extremely tacky. Plenty of folks have money, but not very many have class. Get over your insecurity.

 

[tidwell]

That's all well and good, but I also stand by my first post in this thread. But, as long as that guy got a degree, it's all good.

 

[hatvol96]

Attaway to change the subject. You managed to get from Chaney sending a goon out like a hitman all the way to Vicky Fulmer's social patterns. That may be the red herring of all time. :thumbsup:

I simply think Chaney doing something that plenty have coaches have done, i.e., send in a player with limited skill to get physical with the opponent, is inconsequential in comparison to the number of kids from tough backgrounds that he has helped build better lives. It's only a red herring to those who have a Pavlovian defense response to anything that questions Coach Clouseau.

 

[volinasheville]

Most college coaches can lay claim to helping kids from tough backgrounds. I am certainly no Phil fan but I am sure he could tell some stories too.

 

[hatvol96]

Hey Hatvol,

What's the deal? I've only been on this board a short time, but I've seen you getting into it with tons of members with very little, if any, provocation. Also, continuing to throw around people's names, and/or the places that you visit, is extremely tacky. Plenty of folks have money, but not very many have class. Get over your insecurity.

The Cal reference was only made as an aside to the fact that most people on this board acted as if John was the devil incarnate during the Willie Kemp recruitment. The mention of me being in Philly today was simply done to add some perspective about how Fulmer really doesn't have it that tough where fan criticism is concerned. I don't remember ever interjecting my travels or my contacts anywhere that it wasn't relevant to the discussion. If you have an example of me doing so, I would certainly like to see it. Many on this board rip people for speaking about things they only know about from the newspapers and TV, I occasionally reference a contact or friend in order to show that I'm not just speaking off the top of my head. If that offends you, I'm sorry.

 

[GAVol]

It's only a red herring to those who have a Pavlovian defense response to anything that questions Coach Clouseau.

Woof!

You're the one who started a thread talking about how the criticism Fulmer takes isn't that bad . . . and then ended up taking a shot at his wife. :crazy:

 

[hatvol96]

Woof!

You're the one who started a thread talking about how the criticism Fulmer takes isn't that bad . . . and then ended up taking a shot at his wife. :crazy:

I don't consider a recitation of fact to be a "shot."

 

[hatvol96]

Most college coaches can lay claim to helping kids from tough backgrounds. I am certainly no Phil fan but I am sure he could tell some stories too.

Agreed, but nobody does it with the statistical frequency that Coach Chaney does. Almost all of his kids from impoverished backgrounds.

 

[Jasongivm6]

Agreed, but nobody does it with the statistical frequency that Coach Chaney does. Almost all of his kids from impoverished backgrounds.

If you need or want to ask anyone about helping kids on and off the field/court, look no further than the woman whose name is spelled across Thompson-Boling's hardwood.

 

[HotlantaVol]

Many on this board rip people for speaking about things they only know about from the newspapers and TV, I occasionally reference a contact or friend in order to show that I'm not just speaking off the top of my head. If that offends you, I'm sorry.

See, even here your tone smacks of elitism ... "... they only know about from the newspapers and TV ... blah, blah, blah"

My argument here is not with your opinions, which are certainly relevant to the larger topic of UT sports, but how you express them. For instance, you can discuss the pros and cons of Fulmer's coaching without referring to his supporters as Fulmerites. (For the record, I'm neutral on Fulmer.) You have a tendency to inflame when you could be engaging in polite, objective debate.

I joined this board because it generally seemed that the majority of posters were very nice and civil in their discourse. I know you fancy yourself as the lone contrarian, but your tone of discussion diminishes your opinions and makes people skip over your posts. Which is what I'll be doing from now on.

 

[hatvol96]

If you need or want to ask anyone about helping kids on and off the field/court, look no further than the woman whose name is spelled across Thompson-Boling's hardwood.

I don't think most of her recruits come from single parent, inner city homes. However, with a couple of exceptions, her players do go on to have very successful lives after they leave UT. That certainly reflects well on our women's coach.

 

[hatvol96]

See, even here your tone smacks of elitism ... "... they only know about from the newspapers and TV ... blah, blah, blah"

My argument here is not with your opinions, which are certainly relevant to the larger topic of UT sports, but how you express them. For instance, you can discuss the pros and cons of Fulmer's coaching without referring to his supporters as Fulmerites. (For the record, I'm neutral on Fulmer.) You have a tendency to inflame when you could be engaging in polite, objective debate.

I joined this board because it generally seemed that the majority of posters were very nice and civil in their discourse. I know you fancy yourself as the lone contrarian, but your tone of discussion diminishes your opinions and makes people skip over your posts. Which is what I'll be doing from now on.

If you read the entire post, you will see the newspapers and TV comment is based on criticisms OTHER POSTERS use to diminish anyone's critical opinion about our head football coach. I personally don't think one needs any "inside information" to have an opinion.

 

[Jasongivm6]

I don't think most of her recruits come from single parent, inner city homes. However, with a couple of exceptions, her players do go on to have very successful lives after they leave UT. That certainly reflects well on our women's coach.

100% graduation rate is relative even to "the 99.8% Rhodes scholars" graduation rate.

 

[hatvol96]

100% graduation rate is relative even to "the 99.8% Rhodes scholars" graduation rate.

No doubt. While I am admittedly not a women's basketball fan, there's no doubt Coach Summit is a giant in the coaching profession.

 

[Jasongivm6]

No doubt. While I am admittedly not a women's basketball fan, there's no doubt Coach Summit is a giant in the coaching profession.

I respect her even more for how she "pushes" her players to be the best they can be. If you remember a few years ago, ESPN recorded a whole season of her team's practices, games, half-time rants, etc. You saw how great of a discliplinarian she was. But you also saw how heartwarming she was, too. Sure, her players "cried" sometimes because she was being "tough" with them. But it wasn't like Bobby Knight tough. The woman is a genius at getting the best out of her players. And when they leave, they know that the lady was more than a head coach. She loves them all like a mother. I wish all of our coaches could be like Pat and get the best out of their players.

 

[hatvol96]

I respect her even more for how she "pushes" her players to be the best they can be. If you remember a few years ago, ESPN recorded a whole season of her team's practices, games, half-time rants, etc. You saw how great of a discliplinarian she was. But you also saw how heartwarming she was, too. Sure, her players "cried" sometimes because she was being "tough" with them. But it wasn't like Bobby Knight tough. The woman is a genius at getting the best out of her players. And when they leave, they know that the lady was more than a head coach. She loves them all like a mother. I wish all of our coaches could be like Pat and get the best out of their players.

I don't think she and Coach Knight are that dissimilar. The vast majority of Knight's former players swear by him. I agree that it would be nice if all of our coaches could do what Coach Summit does. However, that's like wanting all guitar players to be Eric Clapton.