If you lose in the living room then you lose on the field too

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volzfanz

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This is why you need a name coach. Say all you want about hiring another up and comer. Give em a chance and all that other crap. But if our coach is already inferior by resume, then what will he be in the living room? So now, we get another unproven coach who has to compete against the toughest competition with the least talent. Sounds like a recipe for an even worse decade than we just went through. If that’s even possible.
 
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if Tee is on staff we are in good shape - he’s a great recruiter

Also Butch was able to recruit in the top 5 and 10 each year. How do you explain that?

UT can recruit itself pretty well. Good staff just adds to it
 
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Yeah... I don't think most kids are out there vetting the coaching history. If you can sell them on your vision, you can get the players. Happens all the time.
 
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Fulmer is a legend and will make every trip to 5 star players living rooms with whatever coach we get. Add Peyton as well. This is a non issue.
 
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"Some schools seem like they are worried about winning the press conference than they are winning football games."

-Gary Patterson
 
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dcibrando said:
if Tee is on staff we are in good shape - he’s a great recruiter

Also Butch was able to recruit in the top 5 and 10 each year. How do you explain that?

UT can recruit itself pretty well. Good staff just adds to it
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Dooley proved that UT does not recruit itself. Butch benefited greatly from a couple of class that was blessed with legacies and in-state kids and he kept it rolling for another year beyond that before things started coming back down to earth once prospects figured out that Butch wasn't going to be carrying any championship hardware back up to Knoxville. It's obvious that despite our winning tradition and history, truly top 10 in the nation facilities (the real reason the AD was strapped for cash most of the last decade), and massive recruiting budget, coaches who have options would rather go to places where they have more elite talent in their school's footprint because it increases their chances of fielding a winning team and they don't have to work as hard. Tennessee still doesn't produce enough in-state talent and the fact that Clemson can come over the mountain and take rare 5* prospects out of Knox County doesn't help a lick. We need the name, plain and simple.
 
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dcibrando said:
if Tee is on staff we are in good shape - he’s a great recruiter

Also Butch was able to recruit in the top 5 and 10 each year. How do you explain that?

UT can recruit itself pretty well. Good staff just adds to it
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UT cannot recruit itself anymore. No matter what we want to think. Recruiting on our past success is over now. Most kids 18 yrs old have never seen a good TN program. The competition is getting better and better. Our guy, if one of these will be seen as the weakest of the bunch. When you lose the alumni doing your talking for you then it’s game over. And we are running out of alumni in the NFL. Besides last year our NFL drafts have been non existent. So you think a no name is better than a big name? Tell that to a 18 ye old kid trying to get to the NFL. Our best response is “you can play right away.”
 
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volzfanz said:
UT cannot recruit itself anymore. No matter what we want to think. Recruiting on our past success is over now. Most kids 18 yrs old have never seen a good TN program. The competition is getting better and better. Our guy, if one of these will be seen as the weakest of the bunch. When you lose the alumni doing your talking for you then it’s game over. And we are running out of alumni in the NFL. Besides last year our NFL drafts have been non existent. So you think a no name is better than a big name? Tell that to a 18 ye old kid trying to get to the NFL. Our best response is “you can play right away.”
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Have them answer a call from Peyton and chat that will help
 
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dcibrando said:
Also Butch was able to recruit in the top 5 and 10 each year. How do you explain that?
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If you read between the lines of what the players have been saying, Butch made commitments to recruits he either never intended to keep or couldn't keep. That alone sets up a program for disaster.
 
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volzfanz said:
UT cannot recruit itself anymore. No matter what we want to think. Recruiting on our past success is over now. Most kids 18 yrs old have never seen a good TN program. The competition is getting better and better. Our guy, if one of these will be seen as the weakest of the bunch. When you lose the alumni doing your talking for you then it’s game over. And we are running out of alumni in the NFL. Besides last year our NFL drafts have been non existent. So you think a no name is better than a big name? Tell that to a 18 ye old kid trying to get to the NFL. Our best response is “you can play right away.”
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Alvin Kamara says hello.
 
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volzfanz said:
This is why you need a name coach. Say all you want about hiring another up and comer. Give em a chance and all that other crap. But if our coach is already inferior by resume, then what will he be in the living room? So now, we get another unproven coach who has to compete against the toughest competition with the least talent. Sounds like a recipe for an even worse decade than we just went through. If that’s even possible.
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Guys get out of your delusions. This is the most ridiculous statement I have heard today on these boards and that's saying a lot. We are fans we follow... when fans make choices bad things happen. If fans had a clue sports books wouldn't be a thing. The fact that 90% of fans are clueless is a billion dollar industry.

Resume means nothing. What you do when you get the job matters that's that.
 
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volzfanz said:
UT cannot recruit itself anymore. No matter what we want to think. Recruiting on our past success is over now. Most kids 18 yrs old have never seen a good TN program. The competition is getting better and better. Our guy, if one of these will be seen as the weakest of the bunch. When you lose the alumni doing your talking for you then it’s game over. And we are running out of alumni in the NFL. Besides last year our NFL drafts have been non existent. So you think a no name is better than a big name? Tell that to a 18 ye old kid trying to get to the NFL. Our best response is “you can play right away.”
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By your logic only 4 teams in the country have the heat it takers to recruit each year? It would surprise you how many different things come into a recruit choosing the school they attend. Winning a championship is a lot lower on the list than you might think and playing time is much higher. But honestly to most recruits.. the ones that are the base of your team it comes down to what majors you offer and how well the coach sells himself to mom.

It would blow your mind how little most recruits and college football players actually follow football outside of their personal recruitment and the games they play themselves.
 
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dcibrando said:
Have them answer a call from Peyton and chat that will help
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That will help. But that’s it. Is that gonna last? Can a call from PM get them to the NFL? Or is a better coach with a winning program a better choice? It’s something they will think about. How many years can a program afford to say “we used to be” our greatest guy is retired. And we don’t have a ton of NFL superstars out there ready to make those calls for us. It’s gonna be harder than ever before. To think a no name is better than a big name is just arguing for arguments sake. And there are bigger names out there and available. Just gotta make some concessions. And I don’t mean corn dogs and beer.
 
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pimo1 said:
By your logic only 4 teams in the country have the heat it takers to recruit each year? It would surprise you how many different things come into a recruit choosing the school they attend. Winning a championship is a lot lower on the list than you might think and playing time is much higher. But honestly to most recruits.. the ones that are the base of your team it comes down to what majors you offer and how well the coach sells himself to mom.

It would blow your mind how little most recruits and college football players actually follow football outside of their personal recruitment and the games they play themselves.
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I said playing time is our best seller. But a path to the NFL is what 5 star guys look for. Do we seem to have that ?
Is your logic that coach McGoogle has an advantage over a big name coach because of the intangibles? Why is it that most people think the OC and DC are recruiters anyway? They sell a product (the school) headed by the CEO (the coach) . Our school looks terrible now and our no name coach won’t help things in this environment.
 
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volzfanz said:
This is why you need a name coach. Say all you want about hiring another up and comer. Give em a chance and all that other crap. But if our coach is already inferior by resume, then what will he be in the living room? So now, we get another unproven coach who has to compete against the toughest competition with the least talent. Sounds like a recipe for an even worse decade than we just went through. If that’s even possible.
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Or you be like Lou Holtz to use someone’s bathroom I forgot the flush
 
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volzfanz said:
This is why you need a name coach. Say all you want about hiring another up and comer. Give em a chance and all that other crap. But if our coach is already inferior by resume, then what will he be in the living room? So now, we get another unproven coach who has to compete against the toughest competition with the least talent. Sounds like a recipe for an even worse decade than we just went through. If that’s even possible.
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You just answered your own question, "toughest competition with the least talent" is why no one wants the job at Tennessee:cray:
 
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ftsandersvol said:
If you read between the lines of what the players have been saying, Butch made commitments to recruits he either never intended to keep or couldn't keep. That alone sets up a program for disaster.
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Every coach makes commitments to recruits that may not pan out. All those commitments more than likely carry words like "if you work hard" etc. 18 year olds don't hear that. They have been pampered and think they can walk right in and be the starter.
 
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Well it would certainly help to have someone to go to the living rooms. I worry about a first timer being able to assemble a good staff. Only one who will do a good job on this I think is Tee. VFLs will come out of wood work to lift him up. Other than him I think u need to go Miles. Think about it. Any of the competent names ordinarily are going to do ok, but a first time coach doesn't have the relationships or juice to bring in prime time coordinators into a bad situation.
 
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