If so this could be good for Dormady

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Bvols48 said:
The little we seen of McBride he will be better than either of the other 2 period.
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cbatey1 said:
AMEN brother, preach it
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Based on what? His 41.25% or his negative turnover ratio? Or his terrible ypa? What of his absolutely terrible performances makes him better? He is the worse and that's saying a lot. Oh I forgot his lucky td when the ref was an extra blocker for us and knocked the defender down. :crazy:
 
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The Tall Gguy said:
Who will Dormady be throwing to? Who will block for him? We need a coach who can coach players up quickly.
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Brandon Johnson going to be the Number 1 WR next year. Palmer has the size and speed, but he lack experience at playing the game of football and it showed during this season. I don't know what to say about Callaway all I saw him run was go routes no different combinations.. All he had was 50/50 balls
 
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greazy1722 said:
After watching this season play out its obvious that a lot of those picks was not or Dormady. The three picks in the Florida game was not on him maybe one of them. Palmer ran wrong route and Callaway dropped pass that led to pick. Brandon was the only prepared Wr on this team and shows on game day. Last game Palmer 20 yards down the field blocking when it was a pass play going to him.. smh
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Agreed

But I do think Callaway was our playmaker that didn't get enough looks and by that I mean the ball could never reach him.

Palmer has a huge upside. Could have easily been the leading receiver in yards and TDs but QB play wasn't there
 
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Is everyone forgetting about Adrian Martinez. The QB we have coming in? (if he stays committed) This kid has the arm strength of JG and is a lot faster than he is. Don't sleep on this Freshman with a new coach coming in.
 
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k-town_king said:
JG has way better passing stats and arm talent. So if anyone benefits it would be him. Not the turnover machine that can't complete 50% vs SEC teams.
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Neither one was worth a **** once you take screen passes out of the figures.

Figures don't lie but liars figure
 
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dcm3w said:
Agreed

But I do think Callaway was our playmaker that didn't get enough looks and by that I mean the ball could never reach him.

Palmer has a huge upside. Could have easily been the leading receiver in yards and TDs but QB play wasn't there
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Look im telling u Brandon can do everything Callaway can do this coaching staff held him back. Callaway and and Palmer have to learn a playbook. If Gundy come here then they have to know what there doing out there.
 
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k-town_king said:
JG has way better passing stats and arm talent. So if anyone benefits it would be him. Not the turnover machine that can't complete 50% vs SEC teams.
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He has more innate ability. His stats are a mirage... they've gameplanned to avoid him losing the game for them.... and they still lost.

Mentally, he's still in HS. He doesn't read D's well at all. He doesn't appear to do pre-snap reads at all. There ARE some guys who simply don't have the ability to do it... just like there are guys who don't have the ability to throw a ball 70 yards.

The "turnover machine"... took risks. The coaches allowed it because they expected the WR's to actually do their jobs much better than they did.

Will be interesting. IMHO, at least one of the two will transfer by the summer. I would go 80/20 JG for two reasons. One, he probably won't win a straight up competition in Gundy's O. Two, Gundy will probably look at one of the two as a stop gap until he recruits and coaches up his own guy. If JG sense that, he's not going to want to keep a seat warm for someone else then fade to the background.
 
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wmcovol said:
Neither one was worth a **** once you take screen passes out of the figures.

Figures don't lie but liars figure
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Memphis, Oklahoma etc all run the same screen heavy o. It how the game is played. Gundy is about the only coach who throws a lot of deep passes.
 
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greazy1722 said:
Look im telling u Brandon can do everything Callaway can do this coaching staff held him back. Callaway and and Palmer have to learn a playbook. If Gundy come here then they have to know what there doing out there.
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Johnson improved. I like the other two guys but neither of them improved. Callaway probably has the best raw potential but there's a reason that both JG and QD started looking for Johnson. He gets open and catches the ball. He doesn't make as many mistakes either.

If Palmer doesn't become MUCH more reliable to be where he's supposed to be... he won't play going forward.
 
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greazy1722 said:
If these rumors are true, The Gundy hire would be perfect for Dormady and JG and Mcbride would be the odd men left out. Dormady would pass for well over 3,000 yards and over 20 tds with this coach. Brandon Johnson and the other wr's would benefit from this hire too.. The running game would be prolific..
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That all depends on if he brings his OC and other Offensive staff with him. I read their message Boards a while ago and folks there say he’s a great CEO but his coordinators really are what make him shine
 
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wmcovol said:
Neither one was worth a **** once you take screen passes out of the figures.

Figures don't lie but liars figure
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Dormady is significantly ahead mentally. JG is a better "thrower".

Dormady's problem was that he actually expected guys to play like they practiced then when he realized they weren't... he tried to compensate for them.

If Gundy is the guy and he wants a guy who reads the D then delivers to the right guy... Dormady will be the starter again. Hopefully Gundy can get the WR play up to minimum requirements.
 
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greazy1722 said:
Look im telling u Brandon can do everything Callaway can do this coaching staff held him back. Callaway and and Palmer have to learn a playbook. If Gundy come here then they have to know what there doing out there.
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I agree. Brandon is going to be the QBs' best friend next season. He and Wolfe were the only 2 that could consistently get open this season. Brandon is that possession receiver that will make a QB look good on 3rd downs.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
I agree. Brandon is going to be the QBs' best friend next season. He and Wolfe were the only 2 that could consistently get open this season. Brandon is that possession receiver that will make a QB look good on 3rd downs.
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Johnson looks faster than reported when he signed. Some guys are fast... some are game fast.
 
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#42
If Gundy can mold Weeden into a guy that has had a career in the NFL he could make any of these three QBs more than serviceable in the SEC.
 
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JG is our future unless he decides to leave. Also, I don't think Dormady did well at all handling the pressure that comes with being the starting qb at UT. He looked scared at times against Florida and definitely against Georgia.
 
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sjt18 said:
He has more innate ability. His stats are a mirage... they've gameplanned to avoid him losing the game for them.... and they still lost.

Mentally, he's still in HS. He doesn't read D's well at all. He doesn't appear to do pre-snap reads at all. There ARE some guys who simply don't have the ability to do it... just like there are guys who don't have the ability to throw a ball 70 yards.

The "turnover machine"... took risks. The coaches allowed it because they expected the WR's to actually do their jobs much better than they did.

Will be interesting. IMHO, at least one of the two will transfer by the summer. I would go 80/20 JG for two reasons. One, he probably won't win a straight up competition in Gundy's O. Two, Gundy will probably look at one of the two as a stop gap until he recruits and coaches up his own guy. If JG sense that, he's not going to want to keep a seat warm for someone else then fade to the background.
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Maybe his first couple of games. His last few he has been running the whole offense. He also performed better vs SEC teams running it than Dormady ever has. Its a reason Jg has a higher ypa than Dormady.
 
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k-town_king said:
Maybe his first couple of games. His last few he has been running the whole offense. He also performed better vs SEC teams running it than Dormady ever has. Its a reason Jg has a higher ypa than Dormady.
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No. He wasn't. And he STILL failed to get out of plays about to be blown up by obvious defensive alignments... and STILL got confused much too often with post snap reads resulting in sacks. He struggles with reads and the mental part of the game generally. His play makes you wonder about his dedication to the film room too.

He throws a nice ball. He's accurate. He has moxie. But he has not shown that he possesses the football intelligence to become a good SEC QB. If he were a Fr... there would be less reason for concern. He isn't. He just finished his 2nd year on the team and still hasn't mastered some pretty basic stuff.

I know you have this hate for Dormady and blind puppy love for JG... but the kid is not a good QB and the problems he has are some of the more difficult ones to fix if he doesn't "get it" or else work his tail off.

Maybe he was just too cocky to put the time in to develop his knowledge of the system?

I do know that family told me that Heath Shuler spent hours with "tutors" to help him master UT's play book while doing his school work. He would tell you that book work came harder for him. He had to put in more effort than others. But no one outworked Shuler. If JG takes that approach... QD can't beat him.

OTOH, if it is Gundy, I suspect neither guy will be "long term". He'll want his own guy.
 
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Ok sjt lie and be too petty to admit you are wrong like usual. The last time you tried this asinine argument I posted the numbers and you disappeared. Not one unbiased person thinks Dormady is a better qb than JG. Do I need to post the numbers for you again?
 
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None of our QBs received any teachings so far at UT. Who knows which one will soak up the instructions from our new OC and staff.

JG may decide to transfer since his “uncle Schiano” isn’t coming after all like he was thought. Hopefully he decides to stay and learn. Very good chance that any of our guys will show 1009% improvement (look what Kiffin did for Crompton - these guys all have talent - just wrong system and no one helping them)
 
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