I thoguht Fulmer learned

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VolBeef88

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I thought that he learned that those last second gambles when your leading at half are not very wise. So many things can go wrong and only a few good things can happen. We had the wind knocked out of them and they gained it back in a hurry and now we lost our QB. I am a huge CPF fan but he relly disappointed me on that play.
 
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Then what do you have to say about Florida last year, or South Carolina this year? Didn't want those touchdowns?
 
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Fulmer and Sanders are frequently and consistently criticised for being too conservative. Heck, now they take a chance and have to take this crap. The truth be told, there is an element of gamble in every play called.
 
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Originally posted by BHAMVOLFAN@Nov 8, 2004 2:06 PM
Fulmer and Sanders are frequently and consistently criticised for being too conservative. Heck, now they take a chance and have to take this crap. The truth be told, there is an element of gamble in every play called.
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Very true.

Glad to see you hanging around a little more BHamVol! :good:
 
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It just goes back to one of the truths of football . . . Everyone is an offensive genius AFTER the play has been run.

Blaming a coach for an injury just takes it to a new level.
 
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Read my post. I clearly stated that WHEN you have the lead it is not smart. If you read the Tennessean you will see that CPF agrees with me and takes the blame. Both of the games you talked about (florida and SC) we were losing and a last shot made since. When your up however it does not. Some fans will boo but you win more often when you don't. As I stated I am a huge CPF fan but that was not smart this year nor last against Ga. I think CPF will agree on both accounts.
 
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I don't mind a gamble, not at all. But you gotta be smart with things like that. If you are gonna try to score, make it clear. It was not clear at all. There was confusion on the field and on the sideline as to what we wanted to do. We got the ball with plenty of time left on the clock and a timeout left. We ran the ball on first down, and then did not call time. The they decide to throw. I don't care for being extremely conservative, either, but you gotta either try to move the ball or just let the clock run out.

Oh well, it's over now. Nothing anyone can do to change what has already happened. Another learning experience for a relatively young team. We've won a couple of games we probably should not have won, and now we have lost one we maybe should not have lost. It all evens out. Whatever the case, I'm still proud of this team. No one expected UT to be where they are right now in temrs of the SEC East race. We still have a very good chance at going to ATL, and then who knows after that.
 
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Beef, my post wasn't really aimed at you . . . just a general response. The play call was strange at best, but the injury was just one of those freak things that happens on a football field. Although, I don't see how you can compare the botched hail mary to the GA game last year.

The only thing to do now is win the next 2 games and go to Atlanta and see what happens. No matter how bad things may seem, there are at least 9 SEC teams that would love to have our "problems" right now. :good:
 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 8, 2004 2:55 PM
No matter how bad things may seem, there are at least 9 SEC teams that would love to have our "problems" right now. :good:
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Good call. Being able to control your destiny is nice.
 
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Originally posted by VolBeef88@Nov 8, 2004 2:12 PM
As I stated I am a huge CPF fan but that was not smart this year nor last against Ga. I think CPF will agree on both accounts.
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Could you be a little clearer on the play before the half against Georgia last year you are referring too?

Surely you are not talking about the "conservative" up and over play to Jabari Davis on 3rd and goal from the 1 yard line that would have given the Vols a 14-13 lead going in to the half?

The Vols inability to get 1 yard against Notre Dame notwithstanding, I would call that same play against Georgia last year 10 out of 10 times given the opportunity. It is the first and only time I've ever seen a Vol fullback knock the ball out of the quarterback's hand in that situation... ever.
 
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we were losin to GA last year on that drive right before half.....it was just like against Florida or USC...it wasnt a gamble....it was a good decision...we were one there 1 and we didnt execute...wasnt the call.....against ND...shoulda gone to the locker room with the lead....yea he will agree.....after it happens.....if its meant to happen it will happen....it was meant for Ainge to be hurt....not that i like it...i hate it....but they play call wasnt it....it was the execution of the play.....bad snap..remember?IF the snap gets there and he throws a 70 yard TD yall are like great call....wasnt the call....it was the execution....
 
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GAVOL my point is that when you have the lead going in to half you should take a knee or run the ball. That is a time honored coaching rule period! Read CPF comments in the Tennesseean and you will see that he knows it.
 
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Originally posted by VolBeef88@Nov 8, 2004 4:39 PM
GAVOL my point is that when you have the lead going in to half you should take a knee or run the ball. That is a time honored coaching rule period! Read CPF comments in the Tennesseean and you will see that he knows it.
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I agree with you on that point. Once CPF decided to run the clock under 10 seconds, the ball should have been downed.

However with the 50 seconds or so that were remaining when the Vols got the ball, I did not like the draw play that was run on first down. 50 seconds is a long time when you are making 1st first downs or getting incompletions.... 'cause the clock stops for both. The ball was on the 30 yd line, so it would not have been too far to get into field goal range.

The big thing, is that CPF needs to decide one way or the other..... conservative and let the clock run out.... or shotgun 5-wide and try to move down a score some points. There is no in-between in my mind.
 
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Absolutely. If you're gonna go for Gold with less than a minute left, you run your offense accordingly. Instead, we lolly-gagged around, put forth a conservative draw, then half-heartedly rushed back out in shotgun formation. Everyone around us in the stadium had a "what-the-hell?" look on their faces, and from what I've read today, I'm pretty sure that some of the players had the same.

Three or four quick passes, out-routes, and TO's (not even sure, did we have any left?) make sense. Set up a FG, or try for 6. But that last-ditch shot after wasting 30 seconds or more made no sense -- especially knowing that ND would play soft on the receivers with time expiring. What were we going to gain?
 
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Don't take this a jumping on CPF as it is not. I am a huge fan of his and wouldn't trade him. But he made a mistake here and he even admits it. I still trust him and am a fan. I just hate it for our young QB.
 
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Originally posted by VolBeef88@Nov 8, 2004 4:39 PM
GAVOL my point is that when you have the lead going in to half you should take a knee or run the ball.
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What are we disagreeing about? Didn't I just say that the playcall was strange?? :dunno:
 
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