I think CLK may have his QB

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volmsbd said:
Are you the q-back coach now?! The talent evaluator that UT has been needing all along...and you were right here on your keyboard the whole time!!!! His average yards was because he was MICROMANAGED and not allowed to do anything...yes, he threw an interception, but he was put in the worst possible situation throwing the ball. Run, run, run & run some more...then make him throw it on 3rd and long when has no throwing rhythm whatsoever, and the defense was sitting there salivating waiting on it! That is horrible coaching to put him in that spot. "Absolutely awful quarterback" as you say, is Jon Crompton...not BJ Coleman.
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you apparently forgot that the opposition was Vandy.
 
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volmsbd said:
Are you the q-back coach now?! The talent evaluator that UT has been needing all along...and you were right here on your keyboard the whole time!!!! His average yards was because he was MICROMANAGED and not allowed to do anything...yes, he threw an interception, but he was put in the worst possible situation throwing the ball. Run, run, run & run some more...then make him throw it on 3rd and long when has no throwing rhythm whatsoever, and the defense was sitting there salivating waiting on it! That is horrible coaching to put him in that spot. "Absolutely awful quarterback" as you say, is Jon Crompton...not BJ Coleman.
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Hilarious that you call me a "QB coach" and "talent evaluator" and then go on to make all kinds of assessments about our quarterbacks. Do you know what a hypocrite is? I'm guessing you don't. Let's review the playcalling against Vandy. The running game was moderately successful, the passing game sucked, and UT had the lead the entire game. Yep, that sounds like a scenario where I want my 3rd string QB that hasn't played a single down of SEC football to take a lot of risks with the football.

I don't think you really understand what "micromanagement" is.
 
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#104
Anyone remember the "pre Cutliff" complaining about Ainge? Well I remember the "post Cutliff" Ainge as a pretty darn good SEC QB...

Maybe there is some value in "coaching"...
 
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k-town_king said:
What makes you think Coleman is more accurate? I just dont get the blind faith in Coleman. He may be okay but I dont know why people act like he has shown any sign of being a good QB. Because he's from TN or because Cut liked him he is the right QB? I just think we will not let Coleman start and scare off a legit QB who doesnt want to commit because a underclassman starts.
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I dont know that Coleman would be any more accurate. Because like mentioned above he was never let throw the ball more than 5 yrds.He didnt get enough snaps with the first team to know if he'd done any better or not. Crompton had way to many chances and each time he epically FAILED! I think Id take my chance with who Cut's evaluation of a QB before yours. I dont care if who they start is an underclassman or not, I just want them to get back to playin Tennessee football and win! Kiffin said all positions would be open, so apparently it will be the best option he has. My thing with Crompton is he had so many chances that I'd rather not even see him ever take the field again. Then again if he turns it all around this year and hes good enough for Kiffin to give him the start then I'll say I was fooled.
 
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#106
k-town_king said:
What makes you think Coleman is more accurate? I just dont get the blind faith in Coleman. He may be okay but I dont know why people act like he has shown any sign of being a good QB. Because he's from TN or because Cut liked him he is the right QB? I just think we will not let Coleman start and scare off a legit QB who doesnt want to commit because a underclassman starts.
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Thank you! I've probably seen him play more than 95%+ of this board and I can promise all of you, if Coleman is our QB next year we will be lucky to be a middle tier SEC team.
 
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#107
kptvol said:
Hilarious that you call me a "QB coach" and "talent evaluator" and then go on to make all kinds of assessments about our quarterbacks. Do you know what a hypocrite is? I'm guessing you don't. Let's review the playcalling against Vandy. The running game was moderately successful, the passing game sucked, and UT had the lead the entire game. Yep, that sounds like a scenario where I want my 3rd string QB that hasn't played a single down of SEC football to take a lot of risks with the football.

I don't think you really understand what "micromanagement" is.
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Good lowsy pal, are you confused here?! I made assessments?! Saying Crompton is a horrible quarterback is not an assessment it is fact. He was given opportunity after opportunity to play quarterback and every time he looked like the quarterback from the ten yr old special olympics team. "Micromanagement"...the coaching staff preventing him from passing the football, because of the fear of him screwing up, and calling designed runs the entire game. That is micromanaging his play...by not allowing him to utilize the playbook. Learn what the definition actually means before you contribute. I never said it was the wrong call, I simply just stated that was the case in that game, and that people saying he was an awful quarterback based on the fact that he was micromanaged in one game, was not warranted. Crompton on the other hand showed in multiple games that he was completely inept, and awful. Just stating facts here pal, not making "assessments".
 
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volmsbd said:
Good lowsy pal, are you confused here?! I made assessments?! Saying Crompton is a horrible quarterback is not an assessment it is fact. He was given opportunity after opportunity to play quarterback and every time he looked like the quarterback from the ten yr old special olympics team. "Micromanagement"...the coaching staff preventing him from passing the football, because of the fear of him screwing up, and calling designed runs the entire game. That is micromanaging his play...by not allowing him to utilize the playbook. Learn what the definition actually means before you contribute. I never said it was the wrong call, I simply just stated that was the case in that game, and that people saying he was an awful quarterback based on the fact that he was micromanaged in one game, was not warranted. Crompton on the other hand showed in multiple games that he was completely inept, and awful. Just stating facts here pal, not making "assessments".
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Saying Crompton is a horrible quarterback is the definition of assessment.

Ainge showed in multiple games that he was completely inept. Thank goodness he wasn't around in 2008. Coleman couldn't beat out Stephens or Crompton. There's absolutely nothing good anyone can possibly say about that.

Crompton and Stephens were told when to pass, when to run, and when to handoff. That's how it works. Coleman got the same treatment, the exception being that the coaches were even less confident in him throwing. He wasn't micromanaged, he was coached. If you want to say the gameplan didn't favor Coleman's throwing abilities or whatever, that's fine. He wasn't micromanaged.
 
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#109
we'd of beaten Auburn and UCLA and Wyoming for sure with Ainge at the helm.
 
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#111
Ainge sucked in 05 but was 2nd team all SEC in 07....

Not only do we destroy AU, UCLA and Wyoming, we steal 1 from USCe or UGA! This team easily wins 8 with EA at QB!!!
 
#112
#112
kptvol said:
Uh, no. I watched the UAB, UF, LSU, ND, and SC games from 2005 and I say he sucks. It's a fact, not an assessment.
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Dear God man that's the kind of thinking that should make us write off Coleman or anybody else that struggles. You are aware that Ainge came back in '07 and completed 63% of his passes for over 3500 yds and 31 TD's. He also made an NFL roster.

I'm all for giving Coleman the chance to shine but the brutally simple fact of the matter is that he hasn't yet. The very fact he WAS limited in his throwing by the coaches speaks volumes. When in limited action, no doubt instructed above all else not to screw up and let the defense do it's thing, he still throws one to the other team going the other way.

All QB's will get a look under the new regime. How so many can get bent out of shape over it at this point is kind of a head-scratcher.
 
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hndog609 said:
Dear God man that's the kind of thinking that should make us write off Coleman or anybody else that struggles. You are aware that Ainge came back in '07 and completed 63% of his passes for over 3500 yds and 31 TD's. He also made an NFL roster.

I'm all for giving Coleman the chance to shine but the brutally simple fact of the matter is that he hasn't yet. The very fact he WAS limited in his throwing by the coaches speaks volumes. When in limited action, no doubt instructed above all else not to screw up and let the defense do it's thing, he still throws one to the other team going the other way.

All QB's will get a look under the new regime. How so many can get bent out of shape over it at this point is kind of a head-scratcher.
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I was being facetious.
 
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govols87 said:
I believe in Cuts opinion, and put a lot of weight in it. Also, Coleman had over 300 yds. against Hargrave. I know I know they aren't an SEC caliber opponent, not even close. But the team is filled with D1 prospects waiting for better grades. I think B.J. has a great shot the starting job next season. Let the record show that I still have faith in all three guys and believe they can be molded into a starting qb.
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I'll second that. If Cut picked him that's good enough for me. It's not BJ's fault he wasn't a "Fulmer Boy".
 
#116
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KB5252 said:
Coleman has had absolutely zero chance to show his skills.

Don't even try to say he got his shot this year, the kid never had ANY reps to speak of with the first team. He was almost strictly used for the scout team.

I say give this kid a chance, at least he showed some poise (especially for a kid who wasn't up to speed on the offense).
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good point :clapping:
 
#117
#117
kptvol said:
Saying Crompton is a horrible quarterback is the definition of assessment.

Ainge showed in multiple games that he was completely inept. Thank goodness he wasn't around in 2008. Coleman couldn't beat out Stephens or Crompton. There's absolutely nothing good anyone can possibly say about that.

Crompton and Stephens were told when to pass, when to run, and when to handoff. That's how it works. Coleman got the same treatment, the exception being that the coaches were even less confident in him throwing. He wasn't micromanaged, he was coached. If you want to say the gameplan didn't favor Coleman's throwing abilities or whatever, that's fine. He wasn't micromanaged.
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I'm pretty sure that the practices under PF weren't exactly open competition.
 
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#118
RussDogg said:
I'm pretty sure that the practices under PF weren't exactly open competition.
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I'd say around loss #5 any loyalty Fulmer felt toward playing older guys over better guys went out the window. You saw how Fulmer reacted when his retirement was announced. What do you think was more important to him? Playing Jon Crompton or saving his job?
 
#119
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kptvol said:
Saying Crompton is a horrible quarterback is the definition of assessment.

Ainge showed in multiple games that he was completely inept. Thank goodness he wasn't around in 2008. Coleman couldn't beat out Stephens or Crompton. There's absolutely nothing good anyone can possibly say about that.

Crompton and Stephens were told when to pass, when to run, and when to handoff. That's how it works. Coleman got the same treatment, the exception being that the coaches were even less confident in him throwing. He wasn't micromanaged, he was coached. If you want to say the gameplan didn't favor Coleman's throwing abilities or whatever, that's fine. He wasn't micromanaged.
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:banghead2: Agree to disagree...of course, we know I'm right...:boxing2:
 
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#120
#120
kptvol said:
I'd say around loss #5 any loyalty Fulmer felt toward playing older guys over better guys went out the window. You saw how Fulmer reacted when his retirement was announced. What do you think was more important to him? Playing Jon Crompton or saving his job?
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I am betting Cromptn had some pics or a receipt...
 
#122
#122
Some of you have real short memories. We have been in this mess many times before and rose up to where we needed to be. Tee Martin was in Peyton's shadow for three years, Ainge was almost ruined by the Sanders and company and Cut fixed him. Remember that Cut was the one who recruited BJ and he saw a lot of potential...Maybe he can be coached up and be what he was recruited to be. Lord only knows he needs to step up because Compton is a joke and Stephens is Stephens. Maybe a better line will help too.
 
#123
#123
k-town_king said:
Coleman wont see the field at UT again. I don't know why some are so high on Coleman he has showed nothing at all. I think CLK figures Crompton was a high ranked recruit with the physical skill but needs coaching and better line play. He will work with Crompton and win some games next year before our real QB of the future comes next year.[/QUOTE]

Buddy I think you need to turn your XBOX off for a few minutes and think about what you just said. Our season died from a sucking chest wound and Crompton was left holding the gun. I don't know if the reason was Fulmer lost the drive, Clawson's Einstein's theory of pass type offense or Crompton just fell off the turnip truck. A good QB does more than what the coach tells him. He has to be the leader on the field, he has to make split second decisions on pass plays, Knows not to throw in to heavy coverage. Needs to read defenses and know when to pass, to run and to throw it away. Crompton showed none of those leadership abilities. Stephens show some till he got of track after a few games. I say give Coleman a chance in the spring to win the job. With Fulmer gone and a new head coach in place it opens up the competitions wide open.
:good!:
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#124
#124
PrattvilleVol said:
BJ Coleman was 4 star and 10th ranked pro-style QB in his 07 class. For some reason, Fulmer and company never worked to develop him and wrote him off for Crompton and Stephens. Crompton is Crompton. Nick has fire but appears to be very undisciplned. BJ has hung in there and his raw talent has shown flashes of excellence as well as has shown immaturity from the lack of attention from the coaches. BJ threw 19 TD's his Jr. and Sr. years respectively. I think CLK already knows this guy could be the answer.

JMHO...We may already have a "Tom Savage" with some development and coaching.
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Fulmer would never bring in the young talent for some strange reason.
 
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