"I need to see Josh Heupel accomplish...

#51
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utvols74 said:
The "roster problem" starts to evaporate fast in your 5th year and is a memory in year 6. Highly respectable success thus far (except vs. GA) considering where we were.

As a Vol fan for 40+ years, I just hope we don't migrate back toward the mediocre days of the 70s and early 80s and get conditioned to that.
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We're still under visit sanctions and still down a scholarship or two, I think.

Heupel has yet to enter a season level with most SEC teams in that respect.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
The ceiling is raised by upping the recruiting game and being willing to work with championship coaches who he doesn’t have a close relationship with. The players love him and he’s an offensive genius. Some thought that Spurrier had hit his ceiling and he hired Bob Stoops. I think there’s a small amount of correlation here.
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Agreed. Our recruiting seems quite underwhelming to say the least! I did see we received a commitment yesterday from a 5’11, 160 lb. safety so we’ve got that going for us!
 
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wmcovol said:
I said “during their first 4 years”. Did you miss that? Josh has 2 top ten finishes. None of Barnes elite eights were in his first 4 years. Tony’s NC wasn’t in his first 4 years.
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TV made the CWS and a Super Regional in his first 4 years (3rd and 4th year).

*obviously can't count 2020
 
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sonofUT62 said:
100% the defense has been better. But I think Banks is closer to his ceiling than Heupel. Heupel has hampered himself with some mediocre coaching promotions and sketchy QB evaluations. I still think there is time for him to get the offense back on track.
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I'll be curious to see if he evolves with this offense. Now that DCs have had time to adapt, it's not what one would call "exciting" to watch. It's almost like they have no idea what to do offensively outside of the sideline pass and running out of 12 personnel.
 
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Rushin Orange Collusion said:
Agreed. Our recruiting seems quite underwhelming to say the least! I did see we received a commitment yesterday from a 5’11, 160 lb. safety so we’ve got that going for us!
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I go back and forth between the problems being our evals or the developmental abilities of the coaching staff. Might be a combination of both?
 
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sonofUT62 said:
It’s funny. But Butch has our last 2 wins against UGA and has come closer in Gainesville and Tuscaloosa than Heupel. The 2023 Florida game was horrid.
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Butch win #1 against UGA / Richt's last stance
Butch win #2 against UGA / Smart's first year without his recruits
Butch would get steam rolled against a CKS Georgia team!
 
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CAVPUT said:
I'll be curious to see if he evolves with this offense. Now that DCs have had time to adapt, it's not what one would call "exciting" to watch. It's almost like they have no idea what to do offensively outside of the sideline pass and running out of 12 personnel.
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I’ll feel bad cheering against South Florida the next two years. But I need Golesh and Burns back and my personal happiness is more important than their lives. 😄
 
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sonofUT62 said:
The ceiling is raised by upping the recruiting game and being willing to work with championship coaches who he doesn’t have a close relationship with. The players love him and he’s an offensive genius. Some thought that Spurrier had hit his ceiling and he hired Bob Stoops. I think there’s a small amount of correlation here.
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I wish the recruiting game was pure and organic as it once was. Now, to up the recruiting game is more on donors than coaches. We need a lot more $$ to keep up with the Ohio State's and Texas teams. The portal has not been kind to us either. Once again...$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
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We are overlooking that there has been a huge Culture change in the program since Kiffin left. 2 Low Bars in Dooley and Pruitt. A Jones sideshow. Interim coach that kicked JJ off the team, NIL, Covid, TP and more.

Team concepts and maybe we are seeing more because of social media, but think about what we did not see going on in 2009 in that locker room through the years vs today. We really don't know how bad it was during that period.

CJH started -33? players his first year that bailed out. The mess with the NCAA what a Sh*t show during his first 2-3 years. Nico the "Wonder boy" would have done well under Jones and probably did not do well because CJH was actually trying to coach him.
 
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TAF said:
one of these three feats this year:

First Win vs UGA and First Time Program has since 2016 (0-4)

First Road Win vs Bama and First Time Program has since 2003 (0-2)

First Road Win vs FLA and First Time Program has since 2003 (0-2).............ONE. "
*from this X Post this afternoon ................DISCUSS...
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So, what if your needs are not met this year. Are you calling for his firing if none of these happen?
Serious question--do you want to fire him if none of these 3 things happen?
 
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Sudden Impact said:
We are overlooking that there has been a huge Culture change in the program since Kiffin left. 2 Low Bars in Dooley and Pruitt. A Jones sideshow. Interim coach that kicked JJ off the team, NIL, Covid, more Team concept and maybe we are seeing more because of social media, but think about what we did not see going on in 2009 in that locker room vs today.
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Can’t state how proud I am that Josh Heupel is the coach of our team. Don’t always understand what he’s doing, but barring something crazy, that part will never change.!
 
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Tennessee win percentage from 2005-2020: 52%

Tennessee win percentage with Josh Heupel: 71%

Tennessee win percentage since 2022: 77%

If he keeps up the 77% win percentage, I don't care. That plenty of accomplishment for me.
 
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When you are getting beat on the recruiting trail, it's harder to win on game day. When you have 3/4 the NIL spending of your biggest rivals, you get beat on the recruiting trail and lose talent to the portal.

Bigger question: who would replace him?
Answer: no one.
 
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Heupel has been fantastic so far. Not a whole lot outside of a handful of games to complain about. However, the pressure to make staff changes will mount if the offense continues to struggle.

We need to recruit consistently top 10 if we want to be very good year in year out. With the way we’re recruiting now 7-8 wins is the floor. We start hauling in top 10 classes consistently and 9-10 becomes the floor
 
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I really believe these are three very tough measuring sticks for Hype...even if it is year 5.
#1 - Talent gap with UGA is massive
#2 - Beating Bama at BDS is no short order. Plus I believe they will be much better this season.
#3 - Gators. This is the game. Also difficult. The Gators may have the best QB in the SEC this season.

I want to see us win EVERY winnable game. No whoops. Play competitive with a chance to steal a win at a game we're not favored.
 
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OffTackleVol said:
I don't get the "roster is lacking" view. There's plenty of capable talent on hand to have an outstanding season.
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Not sure when 2025 ranking will be out but our ranking won't change much. CJH is beating some SEC teams with lesser or equal talent however we need to cross the Rubicon in recruiting to be elite.

Here is where every SEC program ranked in the updated 247Sports Team Talent Composite for the 2024 season:

1. Alabama: 1,018.28 points (17 five-stars, 50 four-stars)
2. Georgia: 1,006.89 points (14 five-stars, 54 four-stars)
4. Texas: 953.95 points (11 five-stars, 50 four-stars)
7. Texas A&M: 914.52 points (eight five-stars, 43 four-stars)
8. Oklahoma: 906.61 points (four five-stars, 53 four-stars)
9. LSU: 906.19 points (five five-stars, 46 four-stars)
12. Florida: 894.24 points (four five-stars, 48 four-stars)
17. Tennessee: 858.67 points (four five-stars, 37 four-stars)
18. Auburn: 833.61 points (one five-star, 42 four-stars)
19. Missouri: 807.36 points (three five-stars, 26 four-stars)
20. Ole Miss: 801.66 points (two five-stars, 28 four-stars)
21. South Carolina: 798.18 points (three five-stars, 27 four-stars)
24. Kentucky: 788.36 points (two five-stars, 29 four-stars)
26. Arkansas: 779.17 points (two five-stars, 27 four-stars)
34. Mississippi State: 743.77 points (zero five-stars, 23 four-stars)
50. Vanderbilt: 695.96 points (zero five-stars, 12 four-stars)
 
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Pruitt, the gift that keeps on giving:

  • Five years of probation.
  • A reduction in football scholarships by a total of 28 during the term of probation, including at least two scholarships each year.
    • Tennessee previously self-imposed and is credited with 16 scholarship reductions from the 2021-22 and 2022-23 academic years.
  • A reduction in football official visits by a total of 36 during the term of probation, including a reduction of at least four per year. Tennessee shall prohibit official visits in connection with a total of 10 regular-season home games, four of which must be against SEC opponents.
    • Tennessee previously self-imposed and is credited with a reduction of seven official visits from the 2021-22 academic year, and the school can be credited for any additional reductions in visits from the 2022-23 academic year if they were imposed in connection with regular-season home games.
  • A reduction in football unofficial visits by a total of 40 weeks during the term of probation, including at least six weeks per year. Tennessee shall prohibit unofficial visits in connection with 10 regular-season home games, four of which must be against SEC opponents.
    • Tennessee previously self-imposed and is credited with a six-week reduction in 2021 and two weeks during 2022, and the school can be credited for any additional reductions imposed for regular-season home games during the 2022-23 academic year.
  • A total 28-week ban on recruiting communications during the term of probation, including at least three weeks per year. This will include one week each in December and January and one week from March to June.
  • A total reduction in evaluation days by 120 during the term of probation.
    • Tennessee self-imposed and is credited with a reduction of 12 days in fall 2021 and eight days in spring 2022, and the school can be credited for any additional reductions it imposed during the 2022-23 academic year.
 
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