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In practice gets to play. You could have a great week practicing and then suck on Saturday. By the 1st game of the season shouldn't the coach know who are their best players? Play them Then if someone gets hurt or screws up sub them next play with the player who did well in practice. I think this "whoever did best that week gets to play" does not build confidence in any player. Instead it worries them when they should be concentrating on the next team we play. I mean really you should know your best players. I just don't see it. It's year 4 man.
Ps. Let Dobbs have at it. Take his reigns off.
 
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tallvolball98 said:
In practice gets to play. You could have a great week practicing and then suck on Saturday. By the 1st game of the season shouldn't the coach know who are their best players? Play them Then if someone gets hurt or screws up sub them next play with the player who did well in practice. I think this "whomever did best that week gets to play" does not build confidence in any player. Instead it worries them when they should be concentrating on the next team we play. I mean really you should know your best players. I just don't see it. It's year 4 man.
Ps. Let Dobbs have at it. Take his reigns off.
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Yeah, man. Screw those players that are competing hard in practice to win snaps...

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I understand the OP I think. There are "gamers" and some coaches recognize them. Jones IMO may overemphasize their practice scores or may have a scoring system that doesn't see everything.

It appears that Richmond and Thomas both scored better in practice than Jones. Jones needs to never leave the field again for the rest of his UT career.
 
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sjt18 said:
I understand the OP I think. There are "gamers" and some coaches recognize them. Jones IMO may overemphasize their practice scores or may have a scoring system that doesn't see everything.

It appears that Richmond and Thomas both scored better in practice than Jones. Jones needs to never leave the field again for the rest of his UT career.
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Exactly! I am all for competing but that should be established before the season starts. A coach should recognize this. Have his set players. Then adjust accordingly but not because of practice. Because of his game day play.
 
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tallvolball98 said:
Exactly! I am all for competing but that should be established before the season starts. A coach should recognize this. Have his set players. Then adjust accordingly but not because of practice. Because of his game day play.
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Isn't that a bit of a paradox? I mean, since the players are really just practicing before the season starts? How would the coach really be able to determine who is game ready before the games? Yet, you think the coach should know who's game ready before playing in any games...

It's called player development and a player can't truly develop without real playing time. Players need to be challenged during the week to progress, not the other way around. If a player knows he can ball out in practice but will get no playing time, then what's the point of trying. It's not so much to push the known starters, like Hurd or Kamara, but the guys underneath them in the depth chart.

If you know you were never gonna get a promotion at your job, then why would you try to go above and beyond to prove to your boss you're the one who deserves the promotion?
 
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VolinDalton said:
Isn't that a bit of a paradox? I mean, since the players are really just practicing before the season starts? How would the coach really be able to determine who is game ready before the games? Yet, you think the coach should know who's game ready before playing in any games...

It's called player development and a player can't truly develop without real playing time. Players need to be challenged during the week to progress, not the other way around. If a player knows he can ball out in practice but will get no playing time, then what's the point of trying. It's not so much to push the known starters, like Hurd or Kamara, but the guys underneath them in the depth chart.

If you know you were never gonna get a promotion at your job, then why would you try to go above and beyond to prove to your boss you're the one who deserves the promotion?
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I guess it could be. But I don't think your really getting what I am saying. My fault I am not that articulate. I just see that our team is having some major problems that have been in place going on the 4th year. this could be part of the problem.
You do get the promotion when a better player gets hurt or screws up.
 
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sjt18 said:
I understand the OP I think. There are "gamers" and some coaches recognize them. Jones IMO may overemphasize their practice scores or may have a scoring system that doesn't see everything.

It appears that Richmond and Thomas both scored better in practice than Jones. Jones needs to never leave the field again for the rest of his UT career.
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I think the thing with Jones was that (for whatever reason) they really wanted to redshirt him and thought they'd be fine without him.
 
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tallvolball98 said:
I guess it could be. But I don't think your really getting what I am saying. My fault I am not that articulate. I just see that our team is having some major problems that have been in place going on the 4th year. this could be part of the problem.
You do get the promotion when a better player gets hurt or screws up.
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I think I know what you're saying. You want to find the starters and play 'em consistently instead of shuffling things around. I totally get it. I felt that way when they were playing musical chairs with wideouts last year. I feel like they've been better this year in that regard. The o-line is a different beast, though. I'm assuming that's what you're really concerned about. Give it time and let the guys get healthy and I believe the staff will have a fixed package at that position. I think after a few key injuries that it hasn't been able to be like they really want it to be. I think they've given some players he benefit of the doubt vs. lesser opponents as opposed to SEC teams.

I could be wrong, but that's how I choose to view it from my perspective.
 
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VolinDalton said:
I think I know what you're saying. You want to find the starters and play 'em consistently instead of shuffling things around. I totally get it. I felt that way when they were playing musical chairs with wideouts last year. I feel like they've been better this year in that regard. The o-line is a different beast, though. I'm assuming that's what you're really concerned about. Give it time and let the guys get healthy and I believe the staff will have a fixed package at that position. I think after a few key injuries that it hasn't been able to be like they really want it to be. I think they've given some players he benefit of the doubt vs. lesser opponents as opposed to SEC teams.

I could be wrong, but that's how I choose to view it from my perspective.
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Jones brings the nasty. This Oline needs more nasty.. Hall had some of that too.. Looking forward to seeing how much of a difference he makes now that he's healthy.
 
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You have to have competition for your job everyday, especially if you're not performing on an elite level. Competition is healthy and practice is where that happens. If players feel the only way that they will get playing time is by injury then why push yourself day in and day out. If regardless of how you practice, there is a set pecking order established at the start of the season, then everyone just waits there turn. There is no player development in a system like this. If you out perform the two players in front of you every single day (if you are a freshman for example) and you never receive any playing time, are you going to stay on that team?
 
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tallvolball98 said:
In practice gets to play. You could have a great week practicing and then suck on Saturday. By the 1st game of the season shouldn't the coach know who are their best players? Play them Then if someone gets hurt or screws up sub them next play with the player who did well in practice. I think this "whomever did best that week gets to play" does not build confidence in any player. Instead it worries them when they should be concentrating on the next team we play. I mean really you should know your best players. I just don't see it. It's year 4 man.
Ps. Let Dobbs have at it. Take his reigns off.
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You're basically telling your starters practice doesn't matter at that point. Confidence is built through success. Success is earned through hard work.
 
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so, all the players in green jerseys don't get any snaps in the Florida game...whups...weez in trouble...:shades:

GO VOLS!
 
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The status of "starting" is over hyped. Put whoever fits the situation on the field, at the start of the game or three plays in or at one qtr. in or when ever a change needs to be made. Starting makes little difference. Look at basketball, players that start are the best to start, a little later the best player off the bench comes in and so on. Why bring big guys in for run defense, fast guys for pass defense, ect.? Starting is over hyped.
 
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If you're replacing "he," use "who."
Who did best in practice? He did.

If you're replacing "him," use "whom."
To whom did the coaches give the start? They gave it to him.
 
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I had a baseball coach once that, to my mind, overemphasized practice performance, especially in the offseason (when many of the players had jobs or other sports). He cut everyone that didn't make most of the offseason practices, no matter how good they were. His team had only a handful of seniors and juniors that were practice all-stars and incredible choke artists in game situations.

Needless to say the man last two seasons and had some of the worst baseball performance in school history.

Practice is not a game. You can judge effort, you can judge some talent, but a good coach knows not to build lineups ONLY on practice.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I had a baseball coach once that, to my mind, overemphasized practice performance, especially in the offseason (when many of the players had jobs or other sports). He cut everyone that didn't make most of the offseason practices, no matter how good they were. His team had only a handful of seniors and juniors that were practice all-stars and incredible choke artists in game situations.

Needless to say the man last two seasons and had some of the worst baseball performance in school history.

Practice is not a game. You can judge effort, you can judge some talent, but a good coach knows not to build lineups ONLY on practice.
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Coach_Z said:
If you're replacing "he," use "who."
Who did best in practice? He did.

If you're replacing "him," use "whom."
To whom did the coaches give the start? They gave it to him.
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Ok I fixed the whomever. So you can rest peacefully but football is the topic here. Can't stand grammar police. It shows your need for superiority!
 
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How does a coach pick the "gamers" out before the season starts?

Also, how does a coach know to play a guy who is not good in practice?
 
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utvolpj said:
How does a coach pick the "gamers" out before the season starts?

Also, how does a coach know to play a guy who is not good in practice?
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It's his recruits. He should know before he recruits them. I mean a good coach just knows and he knows when to adjust and take them out.
 
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