I capitulate.

#76
#76
rexvol said:
what other reason can you give for a team that continues to make errors that the HC said were correctable? if he hasnt lost them, then it must be that he is incapable of coaching them up.
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It's simple. The coaches completely underestimated how bad Crompton really is. This staff is in the worst QB situation imaginable. If you want to bash them for that do so but without changing one single tiny aspect of this team other than having a QB that rates as "mediocre" we are, at worst, 3-1. You're a Fulmer hater (and that's fine with me) but in this case it's really as simple as it looks. Crompton is THAT bad. Everything else you can possibly say about this football team is secondary to that. The only freedom I see you having in placating your anti-Fulmer fetish is that perhaps they should have sat the guy sooner.
 
#77
#77
hndog609 said:
It's simple. The coaches completely underestimated how bad Crompton really is. This staff is in the worst QB situation imaginable. If you want to bash them for that do so but without changing one single tiny aspect of this team other than having a QB that rates as "mediocre" we are, at worst, 3-1. You're a Fulmer hater (and that's fine with me) but in this case it's really as simple as it looks. Crompton is THAT bad. Everything else you can possibly say about this football team is secondary to that. The only freedom I see you having in placating your anti-Fulmer fetish is that perhaps they should have sat the guy sooner.
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Penalties go right up there on the coach's head.
 
#78
#78
how can a coach that publicly toots his own coaching horn, underestimate a guy that's been in the program for 4 years? seriously?
 
#79
#79
rexvol said:
if by magical you mean blind luck, then yes it was magical. And honestly, what kind of grown man uses the phrase "it was truly magical"?
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The same kind of man that thinks that (from the tone of your post) you could use an attitude adjustment. If you can't understand the play on your ever-negative smoke and mirrors comment then too bad. Lighten up.
 
#80
#80
tennaseevol said:
The same kind of man that thinks that (from the tone of your post) you could use an attitude adjustment. If you can't understand the play on your ever-negative smoke and mirrors comment then too bad. Lighten up.
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would it be a "truly magical attitude adjustment"? can you get one of those at the Magic Kingdom?
 
#81
#81
justingroves said:
Penalties go right up there on the coach's head.
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Perhaps. But would it surprise you to know we are tied for 40th in penalties behind such notables as USCe, TX, FL, OSU, Aub & GA?

This ship may have some leaks in it but the torpedo impact is Crompton. Any other issues, as real as they may be, are wholly secondary to our QB issues.
 
#82
#82
hndog609 said:
Perhaps. But would it surprise you to know we are tied for 40th in penalties behind such notables as USCe, TX, FL, OSU, Aub & GA?

This ship may have some leaks in it but the torpedo impact is Crompton. Any other issues, as real as they may be, are wholly secondary to our QB issues.
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it's hard to argue against that.
 
#84
#84
hndog609 said:
Perhaps. But would it surprise you to know we are tied for 40th in penalties behind such notables as USCe, TX, FL, OSU, Aub & GA?

This ship may have some leaks in it but the torpedo impact is Crompton. Any other issues, as real as they may be, are wholly secondary to our QB issues.
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Don't suprise me at all. But penalties still fall on the coach's head.

There's a lot more wrong than just the QB in my opinion.

Why is it that the program has a down year after reaching the SECCG every time they've gone this decade?

Why is it that the program is 1-8 against top ten opponents at home this decade?
 
#85
#85
hndog609 said:
Perhaps. But would it surprise you to know we are tied for 40th in penalties behind such notables as USCe, TX, FL, OSU, Aub & GA?

This ship may have some leaks in it but the torpedo impact is Crompton. Any other issues, as real as they may be, are wholly secondary to our QB issues.
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Good post. Great points.
 
#86
#86
justingroves said:
Don't suprise me at all. But penalties still fall on the coach's head.

There's a lot more wrong than just the QB in my opinion.

Why is it that the program has a down year after reaching the SECCG every time they've gone this decade?

Why is it that the program is 1-8 against top ten opponents at home?
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as it relates to the direction of the program, agreed. as it relates to this year, the qb is really, really hard to ignore (not that you were, but you get the idea)
 
#87
#87
justingroves said:
Don't suprise me at all. But penalties still fall on the coach's head.

There's a lot more wrong than just the QB in my opinion.

Why is it that the program has a down year after reaching the SECCG every time they've gone this decade?

Why is it that the program is 1-8 against top ten opponents at home?
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Please don't confuse my statements as blowing sunshine. I'll say again that there is more than enough room for critical observations like those you point out. I am merely pointing out that even if one were to include all those issues you list and even ones you did not it still doesn't change my being absolutely certain that even Rick Clausen level play at QB would have us at no worse than 3-1 at this point in the season.

Not sure why the Fulmer haters (not saying you are Justin) don't consider Crompton some kind of hero. Somebody needs to buy Rexvol a Crompton jersey since he has already put Fulmer at least 50% out the door.
 
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#88
jakez4ut said:
as it relates to the direction of the program, agreed. as it relates to this year, the qb is really, really hard to ignore (not that you were, but you get the idea)
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This season is when all the other stuff comes to head.

QB play has been awful this season yes.
 
#89
#89
hndog609 said:
Please don't confuse my statements as blowing sunshine. I'll say again that there is more than enough room for critical observations like those you point out. I am merely pointing out that even if one were to include all those issues you list and even ones you did not it still doesn't change my being absolutely certain that even Rick Clausen level play at QB would have us at no worse than 3-1 at this point in the season.

Not sure why the Fulmer haters (not saying you are Justin) don't consider Crompton some kind of hero. Somebody needs to buy Rexvol a Crompton jersey since he has already put Fulmer at least 50% out the door.
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Yes if QB play was even marginally better Tennessee would be 3-1 maybe even 4-0. Winning cures all that ails you.

I'm not bashing Fulmer, I'm just tired of seeing the same things every Saturday every season.
 
#91
#91
justingroves said:
Yes if QB play was even marginally better Tennessee would be 3-1 maybe even 4-0. Winning cures all that ails you.

I'm not bashing Fulmer, I'm just tired of seeing the same things every Saturday every season.
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to expand on this, you can't continue to have a philosophy that allows games like UK, Vandy and USC last year come down to the plays they come down to. again, winning is fine. winning is the goal. but that type of play has you just as close to 10-2 as it does 6-6.

that's a fine line to walk in a league that demands more.
 
#92
#92
It is taking us way too long to develop talent plain and simple. Gerald Jones should be the center piece of this offense, and Brandon Warren and Lennon Creer should all be ready to make more significant contributions.

Others in that boat:
Gerald Williams
Ben Martin
Chris Walker
Ahmad Paige
Art Evans
Donald Langley
 
#93
#93
Good conversation yesterday after I left, sorry I missed it...

Plano Vol said:
I can't help but laugh at the mention of desert........we may be in the hinterlands but the desert has significant landmarks like an O-6 start, 9 or 10 years straight of getting beat by bama (and you better believe the hue and cry and gnashing of teeth was more bitter), getting beat by Army and Duke, etc.

I suppose the difference is that we are/have been heading back towards the desert after dwelling for an all too short period of time in the promised land.

I don't like what's going on any better than the rest of you and I also fear that we will wander in the wilderness for awhile. I just don't think we are at the nadir of Big Orange football just yet.
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Nicely put. And ten years are not forty, but things are really bad right now... feels like desert to me.

hndog609 said:
It's simple. The coaches completely underestimated how bad Crompton really is. This staff is in the worst QB situation imaginable. If you want to bash them for that do so but without changing one single tiny aspect of this team other than having a QB that rates as "mediocre" we are, at worst, 3-1. You're a Fulmer hater (and that's fine with me) but in this case it's really as simple as it looks. Crompton is THAT bad. Everything else you can possibly say about this football team is secondary to that. The only freedom I see you having in placating your anti-Fulmer fetish is that perhaps they should have sat the guy sooner.
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The 'it's the QB' argument works well in the moment. Fulmer lost me after Florida last season. And I jumped then because I had no choice but to accept what others had been saying for quite some time, ie, Phil is not moving this program forward any longer.

The air has been arid for about 6 or 7 years. If a spade is a spade, then a desert is a desert...
 
#94
#94
PS...

My quote of the day in The Topic Immortal applies nicely..

"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. The bamboozle has captured us. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back."
-Carl Sagan
 
#96
#96
orange+white=heaven said:
PS...

My quote of the day in The Topic Immortal applies nicely..

"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. The bamboozle has captured us. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back."
-Carl Sagan
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I like Sagan, have you read "pale blue dot?"

Nice quote but unfortunately most people who aren't bamboozled are usually hoodwinked.

One can find for sure some good quotes in;

The Great Betrayal - Ian Smith

The Rape of Serbia - Major Michael Lees

Government by Deception - Jan Lamprecht

THE GREAT SOUTH AFRICAN LAND SCANDAL - Dr. Philip du Toit

The following from an article by the noted historian and journalist Carl Savich:

George Orwell succinctly explained how this process of destroying and rewriting the past is accomplished in his book, 1984:

Who controls the past... controls the future: who controls the present controls the past... All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. "Reality control" they called it; in Newspeak, "doublethink."

In The Life of Reason or The Phases of Human Progress 1905), George Santayana warned that human progress depended on learning from the experiences of history and that when the past is forgotten, that forgotten past or experience is repeated, there is 'consecutiveness' and 'persistence' of memory but no adaptive learning. For true progress, there had to be 'plasticity' and 'readaption' to experience.

In the chapter 'Flux and Constancy in Human Nature', Santayana stated:

''Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness.

When change is absolute... no direction is set for possible improvement."

"When experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it... This is the condition of children (some football fans, gs) and barbarians, in whom instinct has learned nothing from experience.''

Is it possible to truly learn from the past? Is adaptive learning from experience and history even possible at all?"

Further Maskirovka (Deception)

slydwz said:
If only Fulmer could engineer a drive.
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Engineer a drive? He can even seem to get his Harley started lately.
 
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