I am getting a little nervous about these AAC Coaches

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ptclaus98 said:
The game is won in the trenches, and Nebraska's OL was atrocious today. Their skill players aren't great, but usually when you have a situation that doesn't make sense like this, you look at the OL and the Front 7, and it's clear to see that Nebraska has a terrible OL.
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Wouldn’t that be Frost’s fault? I mean he is going into year 4.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Ok so 1 anomaly season. 2014 they were 9-4. 2013 12-1. 2012 10-4.

Frost is not a good coach. He is proving that right now.
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I honestly don't know what to think about him at this point.

He looked like a great coach at UCF. This Nebraska team, after 4 years under Frost, looks awful. Sure, Martinez isn't the greatest QB of all-time, but it's so much more than that. The entire offense looks out of sync. All kinds of boneheaded coaching decisions by Frost. Terrible clock management. The coaching is BAD! And it can't be explained away merely by "lack of talent", because Nebraska has WAY more talent than Illinois.

But I also don't think there's such a thing as a "1-year anomaly" where you take a 0-12 team to 12-0. My question: what allowed Frost to succeed at UCF, but has now exposed him at Nebraska? Has he just gotten worse in 4 years? Were his assistants better at UCF? Is the UCF program better in general?

One theory might be Troy Walters, Frost's old OC, was better than people realized. Such a common theme in CFB. Coach looks good due to one OC, OC leaves and suddenly coach looks terrible. Even though Nebraska was only 5-7 during Walters' last season, they lost a lot of close games: 4 games lost by less than 7 points. And Frost inherited a bare cupboard in terms of talent. Walters was also the OC for that 12-0 run at UCF. Frost fired him after 2019 and Nebraska's offense has gotten worse since then in spite of theoretically being more talented.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Justin Fuentes and Scott Frost are both crashing and burning. So did Butch Jones. Kind of nervous about some of these coaches since we also have an AAC coach.
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Frost was a rushing QB. His O is garbage against great teams. Fuente isn't great either. Will Heupel be? We don't know. But, we can't judge Heupel on Frost and Fuente. He did very well at Mizz and develops QBs. Frost and Fuente haven't developed a QB. I bet Hooker is better under Heupel and staff than he was coached by Fuente. Martinez is garbage under Frost. Did you see him play today?
 
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There is no reason to get nervous. We have a good coach. He teaches, explains, and is patient with these young men. He will be just fine. Hype has this thing along with his staff, and with our AD.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
I’ve seen our coach field a great offense in the SEC already. That is enough for me to wait and see with a little optimism.
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I just hope he is not Chad Morris part 2. Chad Morris supposedly ran those unstoppable hurry up offenses and took them to Arkansas to turn that program around. Instead, he gave Arkansas two miserable 2-10 seasons.
 
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RTE said:
Butch doesnt count

It sure would be a tough sell to convince a Florida or Texas or Cali kid to commit to bleak Lincoln. What can they offer? "Sure, kid, it may be sleeting now, but just wait until the weather improves in May!"
"And did I mention the CORN? The corn grows as high as an elephant's eye!"
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Then lets add Mike Sherman and Chad Morris to the discussion then.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Justin Fuentes and Scott Frost are both crashing and burning. So did Butch Jones. Kind of nervous about some of these coaches since we also have an AAC coach.
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I am of mixed opinion about the man, but let me give the optimistic take here. Frost and Fuentes have one thing in common, they’ve never coached at a big time competitive P5 school as an assistant. These guys don’t even know what they don’t know.

Heupel spent a lot of time at Oklahoma while they were regularly in national title contention. Obviously there’s some things he will need to learn on his own, but he at least knows what greatness looks like. Everyone has been trying to catch the next Urban Meyer coming out of the G5, but they forget his stints at Ohio State and Norte Dame before he worked his way up to Florida.
 
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What part of “Fulmer & Peanutbrain drove this thing in the ditch so far, no one wanted it” does the OP not understand?

Woke administrators, Terrible record, terrible culture, pending sanctions & toughest schedule in SEC East every year. Why wasn’t everyone fighting to come here? Duh
 
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All I care about is Heupel brought the guys on his staff that were his best coaches and that made him excel at his expertise. Glenn Elarbee, Alex Golesh, & Joey Halzle…then bringing on Kodi Burns was an outstanding hire as well.

On the other side of the ball Rodney Garner, Willie Martinez, and Brian Jean-Mary were excellent position coach hires as well.

Staff hires have a lot to do with the success of a HC most of the time. Tennessee is a prime example of that. So many NFL level 5* 4* even 3* talent has been here yet the product on the field never matched it. We still have a decent foundation of that level of talent here unlike Nebraska or Virginia Tech had for Frost or Fuente.
 
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VolFanNC09 said:
Frost is doing the same thing that Pruitt did. He is sticking with Martinez for some crazy reason. Martinez learned to play watching tapes of JG. This will cost Frost his job before the season ends.
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The similarities are striking, with lack of player development, no during in game adjustments and bullheaded refusal to make obvious personnel changes. 4 years ago I started the comparison (my son lives in Lincoln). The Huskers and Vols were/are in identical situations. Watched the game yesterday and thought, “I am so grateful we cleaned house”, but time will tell. (In a weird side-note, as I recall, Martinez was a Butch Vol commit but flipped to NE at the last minute).
 
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Falcons02 said:
When in doubt look at the QB. If you have a good one, you're probably doing ok. If not, you probably suck.

I don't quite agree with the premise of the thread, though. I don't know that I would characterize Fuentes as a disaster.
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Fuentes is not a disaster but well on his way to getting canned. And, as you say QB is one of the problems - he can’t seem to find what he wants. He’s also not a good recruiter.
 
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VolFanNC09 said:
No chance for Frost. He will be gone before end of year. Already had the second worst winning percentage in Nebraska history before the loss today. They are also looking for ways to get out of the buyout like we did.
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They shoulda kept Solich.
 
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I think Frost is def going down the same road as Pruitt. Sticking with an obviously bum QB instead of even taking a chance with something with less experience, but possibly more upside. When your players KNOW their QB sucks and the HC is dead set on playing him no matter what instead of giving anyone else a chance.....the internal rot begins.
 
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eVOLutionNation said:
I was just thinking the same thing. Those coaches were lighting it up in the AAC, but the move up hasn't worked out for them. I'm still hopeful, but won't be surprised of a failure for us as well.
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Difference is heupel was oc at mizzou when they were lighting up sec and going to sec championship. Atleast he knows what works and doesnt in this league. Cant discount that. Im staying optomistic
 
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shmashed said:
I am of mixed opinion about the man, but let me give the optimistic take here. Frost and Fuentes have one thing in common, they’ve never coached at a big time competitive P5 school as an assistant. These guys don’t even know what they don’t know.

Heupel spent a lot of time at Oklahoma while they were regularly in national title contention. Obviously there’s some things he will need to learn on his own, but he at least knows what greatness looks like. Everyone has been trying to catch the next Urban Meyer coming out of the G5, but they forget his stints at Ohio State and Norte Dame before he worked his way up to Florida.
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Frost was the OC at Oregon when they played for the NC.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Justin Fuentes and Scott Frost are both crashing and burning. So did Butch Jones. Kind of nervous about some of these coaches since we also have an AAC coach.
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Frost’s system is a bad fit at Nebraska. I said that at the time they hired him and thought he’d have been much better off going to a warm weather school.

After Nebraska fires him, I wouldn’t be surprised if he succeeds elsewhere.
 
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Finding a successful G5 coach is such a gamble. You could find the next Urban Meyer, the next Scott Frost or something in between.
 
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