Hugh Freeze mega thread and poll [merged]

[DarkAvenger]

The great Saban killer” has also lost to Mizzou, Memphis, TCU and MissState. Y’all forget that stuff.

If Pruitt actually could beat Saban I would forgive Georgia St, Vandy, Kentucky, Arkansas. Especially if he could beat him twice... but we both know that won’t happen so...

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I can get on board with that. I just don’t get how people seem so convinced that he’s the clear cut answer and act like you’re crazy if you mention his past.

Because his past has nothing to do with now or the future. He is is year 2 at Liberty with zero violations. Is there really a better realistic candidate out there that checks all the boxes besides Freeze?

 

[DarkAvenger]

The point is, it’s a subjective argument and not an objective argument because it’s hard to quantify how he’d handle the things outside of gameday. That’s all I’m saying.

I know what you’re saying but If care solely about the probable result I don’t care how I get there. Hopefully in a smart way but ultimately I want Tennessee terrorizing the SEC again.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Urban Meyer got blown out by unranked Perdue. He also lost to MS. Saban lost to UL. No coach is perfect.

Some days, that oddly-shaped football bounces the wrong way. One thing is certain, though: good coaches find a way to win against good teams.

That's the biggest indictment of Pruitt (and his predecessors). He's gone 0-fer in three years against our three biggest rivals, and I know his record against ranked teams is abysmal. We've only beaten a couple of decent teams. And, the talent gap appears to be widening.

 

[GAVol]

Because his past has nothing to do with now or the future. He is is year 2 at Liberty with zero violations. Is there really a better realistic candidate out there that checks all the boxes besides Freeze?

Give me a break. Every prospective employer in the near term will evaluate whether his baggage is worth it and he’ll have to sell that he’s going to do things the right way. I’m not saying that his past automatically disqualifies him and he won’t get another shot, but it’s a calculation that every AD will make.

 

[drawing dead]

I never called or insinuated that I thought you dumb. I just offered a subjective argument with zero emotion attached.

Other SEC coaches would make it an emotional decision for parents by offering up his past at every kitchen table they sat down at. You may like his coaching but you better like his Liberty roster too. That’s the players he will have to compete against GA, FL, BAMA, etc. with, the leftovers. That lineup may work against Coastal Carolina but I doubt it works in the SEC.

 

[TGFHeupel16]

As big as Saban? You are a troll or just to damn lazy to do your homework. He is playing this game with 16 P5 recruits that were kicked off their original team. Coastal was built from the ground up with hard work from the staff and the players, no P5 recruits only guys that were told they are too small or slow.

Imagine Freeze sitting down at the kitchen table and selling his best ‘make TN great again’ campaign. The player and the parents are intrigued and talking it over.

Now imagine, Saban-Kirby-Mullen-Dabo-etc coming in to talk with the parents and reminding them how Hugh blew up the Ole Miss program by hiring prostitutes to come in and entertain his recruits/players. Saban asks the parents “ is this what you want for your son”? We all know who wins when this happens and it will happen.

I get Your point. But no, I’m not a “troll” cause you don’t share the same opinion. I get Saban, Dabo, Kirby, etc.. all have a lead on Hugh, but you can say the same about Les and Carrol when Saban got there, and even though the Dolphins project didn’t work, recruits started flocking to Bama cause they know he can coach. A lot of recruits would be intrigued with a team wanting to take out Bama and I believe Freeze would be the guy to get the players and excitement we need.

 

[DarkAvenger]

Other SEC coaches would make it an emotional decision for parents by offering up his past at every kitchen table they sat down at. You may like his coaching but you better like his Liberty roster too. That’s the players he will have to compete against GA, FL, BAMA, etc. with, the leftovers. That lineup may work against Coastal Carolina but I doubt it works in the SEC.

This is simply not true, at all. Winning cures everything and Freeze has a lot of former players in the league. Your assumption that negative recruiting would crush freeze is absolutely a terrible take and with the new transfer rules and the Tennessee brand he would be just fine. That’s how he flipped Liberty’s roster and Mullen has utilized it as well at Florida. The past two years of offseason haven’t been flattering to Florida yet they continue churning out recruits... why? WINNING.
edit: Everyone loves a comeback story, and with ESPN and media calling his ascension at Liberty a Redemption tour will only help Freeze. Miles Campbell said if Freeze was hired he would stay because he likes how he utilized his tight ends. Ty Simpson went to Freezes qb camp... I think you take a doomsday approach when it pertains to Freeze but your rationale isn’t based in reality. Maybe 30 years ago you could sell promiscuous and unfaithful behavior but that isn’t the landscape anymore.

 

[TGFHeupel16]

Freeze beat Bama twice and had ole miss #1 in the country.

Chadwell has the mid major funk where it seems like his system works, but has the potential to be a flop.

I think Freeze has experience in the sec. understands the sec. knows what he wants to accomplish with his program, and he can recruit and build the program that makes Sense and is competitive in the SEC.

I woundnt be upset if we hired Chadwell, but certainly not thrilled. Hugh Freeze is the closest thing to a grand slam that we can expect at Tennessee.

I don’t think Chadwell would succeed in the SEC whatsoever. His record is only impressive this year, and I wouldn't consider that proven success, or even great potential. Freeze or bust!

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Has anyone clarified whether the escort service was for personal use or recruits/players?

Well...... that's completely different. If he's hooking up players on the school's phone, where's the rub? (Sadly, there's no "slap myself unconscious" emoji)

Yikes. Just yikes. Don't use your company phone to call escorts FOR ANYONE. However, truly don't use your university provided phone to call escorts for yourself and/or athletes.

If you do, you're dumb. Not just a little dumb..... you're pretty well on the level of sponges or corals, which produce beautiful things...... but are dumb as rocks.

 

[LittleVol]

I don’t think Chadwell would succeed in the SEC whatsoever. His record is only impressive this year, and I wouldn't consider that proven success, or even great potential. Freeze or bust!

He's not some recent HC or lifetime coordinator tuned HC. He's won over 70 games as a HC...

Come on man. This isn't his only successful year.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

You serious?

Huge Freeze at Mississippi:
7-6
8-5
9-4
10-3
5-7

The year before he got to Mississippi they were 2-10....their only wins, Southern Illinois and Fresno State.


That is not pedestrian for Mississippi....nor would it be for Tennessee right now.

It’s been 01-04 since Tennessee has had 4 winning seasons in a row.

His record at Ole Miss was about the same as every HC at Ole Miss before him since Cutcliffe with the exception of Ed O. Nothing exceptional and it appears Ole Miss was regressing in Freezes last year just like we are now. Stats don’t lie and people are infatuated that he beat Saban twice but forget he lost to four unranked teams in those same 2 years.

 

[bpalmer28]

You serious?

Huge Freeze at Mississippi:
7-6
8-5
9-4
10-3
5-7

The year before he got to Mississippi they were 2-10....their only wins, Southern Illinois and Fresno State.


That is not pedestrian for Mississippi....nor would it be for Tennessee right now.

It’s been 01-04 since Tennessee has had 4 winning seasons in a row.

Ouch...

 

[LittleVol]

Give me a break. Every prospective employer in the near term will evaluate whether his baggage is worth it and he’ll have to sell that he’s going to do things the right way. I’m not saying that his past automatically disqualifies him and he won’t get another shot, but it’s a calculation that every AD will make.

Well duh.

I mean yeah! As if it's NOT already public?? haha

He's had multiple public appearances and interviews doing just that- explaining his life changes.
That stuff was in 2016, you think EVERYBODY doesn't already know about it?

 

[DarkAvenger]

His record at Ole Miss was about the same as every HC at Ole Miss before him since Cutcliffe with the exception of Ed O. Nothing exceptional and it appears Ole Miss was regressing in Freezes last year just like we are now. Stats don’t lie and people are infatuated that he beat Saban twice but forget he lost to four unranked teams in those same 2 years.

We’ve lost to like 12 unranked teams in two years and quite a few by double digits. I’m not Freeze or bust but he’s a better coach and there are several others out there that are better.

 

[GAVol]

Well duh.

I mean yeah! As if it's NOT already public?? haha

He's had multiple public appearances and interviews doing just that- explaining his life changes.
That stuff was in 2016, you think EVERYBODY doesn't already know about it?

I was responding to “his past has nothing to do with now”... which just isn’t reality.

 

[LittleVol]

We’ve lost to like 12 unranked teams in two years and quite a few by double digits. I’m not Freeze or bust but he’s a better coach and there are several others out there that are better.

SEVERAL better than Cormbread.

But Freeze is one that has verified history of being able to compete in the SEC, and even upset high ranked SEC teams.
With that said...I think Chadwell outcoached him tonight. And Freeze called a great game except that last bit. His QB made bad decisions that kept Coastal around, and Freeze overcame it.

Either one is far better than Jeremy has a HC.

 

[drawing dead]

This is simply not true, at all. Winning cures everything and Freeze has a lot of former players in the league. Your assumption that negative recruiting would crush freeze is absolutely a terrible take and with the new transfer rules and the Tennessee brand he would be just fine. That’s how he flipped Liberty’s roster and Mullen has utilized it as well at Florida. The past two years of offseason haven’t been flattering to Florida yet they continue churning out recruits... why? WINNING.
edit: Everyone loves a comeback story, and with ESPN and media calling his ascension at Liberty a Redemption tour will only help Freeze. Miles Campbell said if Freeze was hired he would stay because he likes how he utilized his tight ends. Ty Simpson went to Freezes qb camp... I think you take a doomsday approach when it pertains to Freeze but your rationale isn’t based in reality. Maybe 30 years ago you could sell promiscuous and unfaithful behavior but that isn’t the landscape anymore.

What is not true? This will happen...
Freeze sits at 5 star recruit’s kitchen table and tries to sale ‘make TN great again’ campaign to recruit and his parents. They are intrigued and talking it over.

The next day or the next week Saban, Kirby, or Dabo sits at the same kitchen table and they will remind the parents and the recruit of Hugh’s past. They will say something like “do you really want to turn your son over to a man that had escorts for his players at Ole Miss”?

The parents are the ones you have to win over and Freeze will lose every battle for the blue chip recruits. So yes, he will get the rejects and the ones that couldn’t cut it at other P5 schools. But like I said, that lineup can beat Coastal Carolina (barely) but it will get crushed against the big dogs.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

We’ve lost to like 12 unranked teams in two years and quite a few by double digits. I’m not Freeze or bust but he’s a better coach and there are several others out there that are better.

Whether he is better than Pruitt is obvious. Many here are
talking like he is a Football God when it comes to coaching and it is simply not the case. He is definitely not worth the trouble to bring him here and the certain NCAA harassment that UT will have to endure.

 

[LittleVol]

I was responding to “his past has nothing to do with now”... which just isn’t reality.

I don't see where that was said or even implied.

Again, everyone already knows about his past and he's coached another FBS team since for 2 seasons. That's the "reality".

3-7 REALITY
0-9 against Bama, Florida, and UGA by average margin of 26 points...REALITY
So, yeah let's NOT take the proven winner coach that has already been hired by somebody else and is winning with them (thumbs up)

 

[scottvols69]

Freeze is a much better coach than what we have now, no one can argue that with a straight face. What Freeze has done in the past I feel like he has paid up in full, no one around here should be casting stones. The big question is TN willing to stop the bleeding and fire bubba gump. IMO sadly TN will do the absolute most TN thing they can do and give the idiot more time sinking the program farther and farther into irrelevance. I'm a huge FSU fan also and right now its kind of a race to see which program can reach bottom fastest.

 

[griddie]

What is not true? This will happen...
Freeze sits at 5 star recruit’s kitchen table and tries to sale ‘make TN great again’ campaign to recruit and his parents. They are intrigued and talking it over.

The next day or the next week Saban, Kirby, or Dabo sits at the same kitchen table and they will remind the parents and the recruit of Hugh’s past. They will say something like “do you really want to turn your son over to a man that had escorts for his players at Ole Miss”?

The parents are the ones you have to win over and Freeze will lose every battle for the blue chip recruits. So yes, he will get the rejects and the ones that couldn’t cut it at other P5 schools. But like I said, that lineup can beat Coastal Carolina (barely) but it will get crushed against the big dogs.

Just a stupid post. Are you kidding me

 

[scottvols69]

Whats truly f*ing sad is TN is losing out on a young fan base. TN is a laughingstock with the younger generation, there are so many Alabama flags, tags, hats, shirts, etc in NE TN that its revolting. I would venture to say there are fewer young TN fans than there are of pick any two (FL, AL, Clemson, OSU) currently in the state. It's sad.

THAT will cost TN much more than firing the special olympics coaching staff in Knoxville. It will take years to turn that around. Thats a ton of revenue and a generation and maybe more than see TN as irrelevant.

F*ing sad.

 

[bpalmer28]

 

[drawing dead]

Just a stupid post. Are you kidding me

Son, I had a highly ranked kid and this sh$$ happens. Hell no I am not kidding you. Hugh will never be what he was at Ole Miss because he has little chance with the best 4 star recruits and zero chance with the 5 star recruits. SEC coaches are ruthless and they will always use that against Hugh to get the best players. You think Freeze can run with the big boys with 2 & 3 stars?